Bill Hamblin "Outs" CKSalmon

[_Pahoran]

I just checked the member list. No "Thunderchops."

I then did a forum search for "Thunderchops" as a key word. I found it mentioned in one thread: this one. No others.

So I must say, you have piqued my curiosity. Did you just pluck that one out of the air, or is "Thunderchops" an actual screen name, and if so where can I find out this person's story?

Regards,
Pahoran

Pahoran---

I went ahead and looked up Thuderchops' story over on KG's board, and I owe you a bit of an apology. He actually cites Prof. Peterson as being a larger factor in his leaving the Church than you. But given that you would be nothing without Prof. P., and that you hang on his every word and sieze upon every opportunity to kiss his butt, I feel that you and he are essentially the same.

So you are 0 and 2, and so you resort to mere insults. Got it.

I find your second-hand report of Thunderchops' whine to be most underwhelming. Apostates are never short of excuses, being notoriously unable to accept responsibility for their own choices.

for what it's worth, I know of several other people who have pointed to you as a key reason they left the Church, but I know them only by their in real life names, so obviously I won't be posting them here, for you to attack.

In other words, you have no evidence with which to back up your accusation. Anonymous witnesses are not witnesses at all. We're not going to get to see what these alleged individuals allege that I did; we are not going to get to scrutinise their claims or even know what they are.

Clearly, they wouldn't stand up to scrutiny anyhow. If indeed they ever actually existed, and are not merely a fabrication of your own.

You are certainly not beneath such tactics.

You are so full of hatred,

Said the cast-iron pot to the stainless-steel kettle,

and of zealotry towards any criticisms of the Church at all, that you have ironically become an enemy of the Church. That is a mighty onus to bear, Pahoran.

As someone who really is an enemy of the Church, you would certainly know.

Regards,
Pahoran

[_harmony]

In other words, you have no evidence with which to back up your accusation. Anonymous witnesses are not witnesses at all. We're not going to get to see what these alleged individuals allege that I did; we are not going to get to scrutinise their claims or even know what they are.

And yet you did the same thing on the DCP/scholar thread, with an unnamed NZ official, and we were supposed to believe you.

You are certainly not beneath such tactics.

Pot, meet Mr Pahoran Kettle.

[_Pahoran]

In other words, you have no evidence with which to back up your accusation. Anonymous witnesses are not witnesses at all. We're not going to get to see what these alleged individuals allege that I did; we are not going to get to scrutinise their claims or even know what they are.

And yet you did the same thing on the DCP/scholar thread, with an unnamed NZ official, and we were supposed to believe you.

Ah.

Well, that's because I'm not an anti-Mormon, and therefore not a habitual liar.

The notion that DCP--or even that I--should feel any need to prove anything to this little clique of rabid haters might be an entertaining one, but I don't intend to entertain it.

You are certainly not beneath such tactics.

Pot, meet Mr Pahoran Kettle.

Now "Harmony," or is it "Serenity," or was it "WAzing"--I can never keep all your little deceptions straight--you know perfectly well that you have not the slightest reason to suspect me of lying to anyone about anything.

Regards,
Pahoran

[_harmony]

In other words, you have no evidence with which to back up your accusation. Anonymous witnesses are not witnesses at all. We're not going to get to see what these alleged individuals allege that I did; we are not going to get to scrutinise their claims or even know what they are.

And yet you did the same thing on the DCP/scholar thread, with an unnamed NZ official, and we were supposed to believe you.

Ah.

Well, that's because I'm not an anti-Mormon, and therefore not a habitual liar.

The two are not mutually inclusive, Pahoran, and you know it. Anti-Mormons are not habitual liars. I suspect there are very few habitual liars, but the odds are just as high that a Mormon would be one as that an anti-Mormon would be. Hyperbole does you no good here. Argue with some substance.

The notion that DCP--or even that I--should feel any need to prove anything to this little clique of rabid haters might be an entertaining one, but I don't intend to entertain it.

The door's always open here. Although no one will boot you through it, you can always use it on your own.

You are certainly not beneath such tactics.

Pot, meet Mr Pahoran Kettle.

Now "Harmony," or is it "Serenity," or was it "WAzing"--I can never keep all your little deceptions straight--you know perfectly well that you have not the slightest reason to suspect me of lying to anyone about anything.

Regards,
Pahoran

It doesn't matter here, Pahoran. I am the same wherever I go, no matter what name I use. Those with discernment pick up on it sooner than those who don't. You no doubt discussed many things with me on FAIR, as Dill Pickles, but you lacked discernment and your eyes were clouded. As for your other comment, you are a FAIR apologist; that alone means all your words are subject to confirmation as far as I am concerned.

[_cksalmon]

When I saw that posting of what should be confidential, I shook my head in displeasure. You would think a professor at BTU would be more considerate. My concern is with how CK Salmon is taking this. Does anyone recall how FAIR reacted when then names of the Mods where released in as not as public of manner? Did they not have some vituperative feelings about it?

Wait a minute, did I really say vituperative? Did I get that off the back of a cereal box or something?

I just came across this thread and thought I'd chime in.

I'm not sure exactly what Prof. Hamblin's point was in starting a personal thread using my in real life name, although I strongly suspect his intentions were less than honorable.

As it turns out, though, he actually did me a favor. While I never attempted to hide my identity, I certainly didn't advertise the fact that I edited an "anti-Mormon" newspaper. Now that the proverbial cat has been unceremoniously dumped from the bag, I really haven't noticed any significant difference in my online interchanges with fellow MA&Dites.

I still have friendly relationships with those whom I did formerly. But, now, I can write things like, "I'm still preparing the Jerald Tanner memorial issue..." and get nary a negative comment in return. My presence on the board along with my personal objections to LDS truth claims are a bit better grounded now—at least for those folks who were paying attention to that particular thread.

It's liberating, frankly, not to have to worry about the other shoe dropping. I'm out of the closet, so to speak.

So, thank you, Prof. Hamblin. "What you meant for evil..." and all that.

Best.

CKS

[_beastie]

I have to say I'm a bit unclear about the brouhaha. It really does appear to me that cksalmon is a screen name based on ck's real name. While Hamblin may have been attempting to make sure everyone knew ck edited an "anti Mormon" publication, I"m not sure I believe it's fair to criticize him for "outing" him.

[_Mister Scratch]

Mr. Salmon---

May I just say, it is a delight to see you over on this far more fair-minded, free spirited board! You were a fave of mine, back during my very brief tenure at the ironically named FAIRboard, and I enjoyed your posts a great deal. So, welcome!

Also, I have been wanting to ask you a question for quite some time. You may recall that back in July, shortly before I was banned (and banished to purgatory), I had sent you a series of PMs dealing with Blacks and the priesthood. Well, Nomos/Dadof7 locked me out of my account before I had the opportunity to read the last PM you sent me. By any chance have you still got it?

Secondly, I noticed that immediately after I began PMing you, your avatar mysteriously changed to a picture of a sockpuppet. I was just curious: was that your doing? Or the doing of mods?

Again, welcome, and of course I'm glad to appear not to have suffered as a result of Prof. Hamblin's inconsiderate and irresponsible "outing."

[_Mister Scratch]

I have to say I'm a bit unclear about the brouhaha. It really does appear to me that cksalmon is a screen name based on ck's real name. While Hamblin may have been attempting to make sure everyone knew ck edited an "anti Mormon" publication, I"m not sure I believe it's fair to criticize him for "outing" him.

Well.... Okay. Maybe not "fair," per se, but most definitely "FAIR." How's that?

[_cksalmon]

I have to say I'm a bit unclear about the brouhaha. It really does appear to me that cksalmon is a screen name based on ck's real name. While Hamblin may have been attempting to make sure everyone knew ck edited an "anti Mormon" publication, I"m not sure I believe it's fair to criticize him for "outing" him.

I can get behind that, beastie. I certainly didn't report the thread to the mods (though apparently others did), and I didn't really feel that personally affronted.

I think the brouhaha (fairly limited and quite unimportant as it was) centered around the fact that Prof. Hamblin started a personal thread about me (which is patently against board rules) with the express intent of exposing for public scrutiny my "anti-Mormon" affiliations by connecting my online identity with my in real life name and position (which is, again, against board rules). But, you're right, CKSalmon makes for a pretty thing disguise for "Kelly Salmon" (though I actually go by "Christopher"—don't tell anyone).

Sometimes folks, like myself and Prof. Hamblin, will do things we might not otherwise do in defense of our closely-held worldviews. I certainly don't feel any rancor toward him and I agree that the brouhaha might be a bit overblown.

Best.

CKS

[_cksalmon]

Mr. Salmon---

May I just say, it is a delight to see you over on this far more fair-minded, free spirited board! You were a fave of mine, back during my very brief tenure at the ironically named FAIRboard, and I enjoyed your posts a great deal. So, welcome!

Also, I have been wanting to ask you a question for quite some time. You may recall that back in July, shortly before I was banned (and banished to purgatory), I had sent you a series of PMs dealing with Blacks and the priesthood. Well, Nomos/Dadof7 locked me out of my account before I had the opportunity to read the last PM you sent me. By any chance have you still got it?

Secondly, I noticed that immediately after I began PMing you, your avatar mysteriously changed to a picture of a sockpuppet. I was just curious: was that your doing? Or the doing of mods?

Again, welcome, and of course I'm glad to appear not to have suffered as a result of Prof. Hamblin's inconsiderate and irresponsible "outing."

Hey MS--

Thanks for your vote of confidence!

Unfortunately, no, I don't have that last PM. I've had to clean out my sent messages folders a number of times since then. Nor do I even remember the gist of the particular thread that gave rise to our interchange. The memory is the first to go...

The sock puppet avatar was of my own doing. I thought it would be a funny way of emphasizing all the mod talk of banning sock puppets. The humor was probably lost on all save me.

Best to you.

CKS