Ex-Mormons Shut up and Sing

[_OUT OF MY MISERY]

Ex-Mormons are encouraged to Shut up and Sing

No one is allowed to say why they are hurt and why they will never belong to another organized religion again

The basic Human need for trust has been violated when someone leaves.

You no longer know who to trust and who will stand by your side and protect you.

Your family wants you to go away, your very foundation of trust is kicked out right from under you

Trust is a very hard thing to get back once lost

Sometimes you have to let your family go and move on

No one should have to that ever and I mean ever

[_beastie]

Exactly, coffeecat. I guess, after several years "debating" apologists, nothing should surprise me anymore. But I was a bit taken aback when I finally realized the whole crux of the argument - the only good exmo is a silent exmo.

Sethbag made an excellent point on FAIR, which went unanswered, at least the last time I checked. If a member of Heaven's Gate had grown skeptical and worried about the possibility of an oncoming mass suicide, and exited the group, would that exmember be behaving in a more ethical fashion by simply going on with his/her life and shutting up? Or should that exmember try to alert the larger society as to what was transpiring, in the hopes of intervention?

I was surprised his post wasn't deleted, to tell the truth, because of the way the FAIR mods abuse "Godwin's Law". But it is a question that ought to be answered by anyone proposing this "shut up and sing" theory.

I am not proposing that Mormonism is like Heaven's Gate or as dangerous as Heaven's Gate. But what the example demonstrates is that loyalty to a past group is not always the most ethical choice. If an exmormon speaks up, in whatever fashion (ususally on the internet), it is for a reason. When I first left the church I was starved to be able to talk to someone who truly understood, to help me process the pain and move beyond it. I didn't discover that opportunity till I got online. So sometimes we speak out for personal reasons - to help us process the experience, to vent, to help others. Some people truly DO believe Mormonism is a dangerous system that ought to be stopped. If people really believe this, then their most ethical choice IS to speak out.

This "shut up and sing" reminds me again of the mafia or a gang. If you get out, you better still demonstrate loyalty to the past group by shutting up.

[_wenglund]

Ex-Mormons are encouraged to Shut up and Sing

No one is allowed to say why they are hurt and why they will never belong to another organized religion again

The basic Human need for trust has been violated when someone leaves.

You no longer know who to trust and who will stand by your side and protect you.

Your family wants you to go away, your very foundation of trust is kicked out right from under you

Trust is a very hard thing to get back once lost

Sometimes you have to let your family go and move on

No one should have to that ever and I mean ever

Could you provide a few documented examples of your "shut up and sing" claim above?

Do you actually understand the meaning of that book title by Laura Ingraham? (I am guessing not--hint: it is not about silencing people, but rather there is a time and place for speaking out, and a time and a place for singing, and there are those who are better suited for speaking and others better suited for singing.)

Are you supposing the trust issue only goes one way--i.e. the lost of trust by those leaving? (Hint: it's not)

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_OUT OF MY MISERY]

Weggy

Whatever I say you will not see so leave me alone and move on

Do you understand that ????

[_beastie]

Wade,

According to Juliann and the church's own definition of "apostate", there is never an appropriate time for exmormons to share their criticisms of the church.

Two exmormons can share the exact same negative opinion of the church and their experiences in it, share the same negative views of the church's "truth claims", and only be differentiated by the fact that one speaks out and one remains silent, and the speaking exmormon is labeled an apostate who cannot be trusted to share a reliable exit narrative (not to mention is inspired by Satan, if we leave aside sociology for the church's definitions and claims) while the silent exmormon is simply a "leave-taker" with no negative associations at all.

Shut up and sing. The church doesn't really care what you think about the church, as long as you shut up about it.

If you have evidence you believe demonstrates otherwise, please share it.

[_wenglund]

Wade,

According to Juliann and the church's own definition of "apostate", there is never an appropriate time for exmormons to share their criticisms of the church.

Two exmormons can share the exact same negative opinion of the church and their experiences in it, share the same negative views of the church's "truth claims", and only be differentiated by the fact that one speaks out and one remains silent, and the speaking exmormon is labeled an apostate who cannot be trusted to share a reliable exit narrative (not to mention is inspired by Satan, if we leave aside sociology for the church's definitions and claims) while the silent exmormon is simply a "leave-taker" with no negative associations at all.

Shut up and sing. The church doesn't really care what you think about the church, as long as you shut up about it.

If you have evidence you believe demonstrates otherwise, please share it.

Your the one making the claim. So, the burden of proof is on you. (Hint: your biased opinion does not count as evidence).

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_wenglund]

Weggy

Whatever I say you will not see so leave me alone and move on

Do you understand that ????

I understand that is your ironic excuse for wanting me to shut up and move on. ;-)

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_Mister Scratch]

Wade,

According to Juliann and the church's own definition of "apostate", there is never an appropriate time for exmormons to share their criticisms of the church.

Two exmormons can share the exact same negative opinion of the church and their experiences in it, share the same negative views of the church's "truth claims", and only be differentiated by the fact that one speaks out and one remains silent, and the speaking exmormon is labeled an apostate who cannot be trusted to share a reliable exit narrative (not to mention is inspired by Satan, if we leave aside sociology for the church's definitions and claims) while the silent exmormon is simply a "leave-taker" with no negative associations at all.

Shut up and sing. The church doesn't really care what you think about the church, as long as you shut up about it.

If you have evidence you believe demonstrates otherwise, please share it.

Your the one making the claim. So, the burden of proof is on you. (Hint: your biased opinion does not count as evidence).

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

No it's not, since Beastie is the ULTIMATE AUTHORITY of what she thinks and believes.

[_msnobody]

I understand exactly what you mean Bart Smitch. Sooner or later though, it seems an implosion would occur by supressing it for so long. in my opinion, a person can only shelve matters for so long. Let me change that a bit... A healthy person can only shelve things for so long.

[_Randall]

I understand exactly what you mean Bart Smitch. Sooner or later though, it seems an implosion would occur by supressing it for so long. in my opinion, a person can only shelve matters for so long. Let me change that a bit... A healthy person can only shelve things for so long.

Yeah, I guess Dumb Ass has been pickling on the shelf for a while now.

Shades says "bitch" and "ass" are OK in Terrestrial but to use them sparingly. Yeah, right. Like find a way to do it with every post. Does Dumb Ass get to post in the Celestial forum also, or does her new user name effectively banish her to the Telestial world and Outer Darkness.