Mormonisms social caste system - My Personal Experience

[_harmony]

Is this man the only qualified good-hearted man in our stake? Heck, no! Most of the men in our stake could do what he does, but they are never given the chance, because they do not run in the same church-social circles as this man. They are not known to leaders up the food chain, and so they are never considered. This man (and a few others) is tapped over and over again to the point where it's ludicrous.

Ahh, the love of power for its own sake. And, to resent power one doesn't have. Your post is so transparent.

Huh?

Odd as it may seem, the Church doesn't work that way although it is the ordinary evil nature of man to yearn for power and respect.

Oh dear. You'd best tell Mitt then... I'm sure he has no idea that he's evil for yearning for power and respect.

What an asinine thing to say, P. That's certainly one of your best so far.

[_Runtu]

If it's evil to yearn for power and respect, the church must be pretty evil. I used to work there, and a lot of what we did was specifically to develop power and respect for the church.

[_Coggins7]

Hi Coggy, seems you haven't changed your medication ;-) Love your posts!!

Loran:

Thanks

Re the opening post: Vegas is expressing his personal experiences. Experiences that are not uniquely his, as other posters confirm. I think there is ample evidence that Mormons are less different from others than we expect them to be.

Loran:

Vegas is expressing, to my mind, a mindless hatred of that whiich either he does not understand, or understands, and cannot handle.

The "truth" about LDSism, and its folks, in whatever position they hold, is often--by some--very disconcerting, if not painful because the Institution TENDS to indoctriate its members with "Church Perfection". This Missionary message seeds the inevitable--for some--fruits of 'apostacy'. They are built in by arrogance and ignorance from Top-down, and Bottom-up that some people will just not abide.

Loran:

Yes, you are correct. lThe missionary message seeds apostacy; but this is not inevitable in any individual context, only in a collective sence: some portion of those who hear the Gospel message will fall away.

That others seem to thrive in this dysfunction might be more to their credit than not???

Loran:

Anyone who thrives on psychological dysfunction should be on a couch, whether to their credit or not.

My experience has been as a convert in the far reaches of the Canadian Mission Field. A group of poor folks, we huddled together against the "cold cruel world" with no discrimination what-so-ever. Well, maybe to those not good enough to remain, or to be on time, or didn't do their HT/VT, or didn't maintain our dress standards... OK, we were discrimating. Because we were/are normal.

We do it all the time. Our off-hours activities, our entertainment, the books we read, the music we enjoy, blah, blah, blah... Who wants to spend time with folks who choose every item above differently than we do??? I'm geting to my point:

Loran:

In other words, you're not a very discricminating sort...

The last sentence was about trivial matters of which it is below my present intellectual status to critique.

Unless you ask me real nice...

Loran

[_Coggins7]

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If it's evil to yearn for power and respect, the church must be pretty evil. I used to work there, and a lot of what we did was specifically to develop power and respect for the church.

Loran:

I do not think its evil to yearn for either power or respect, if either of these concepts are properly understood and properly delimited within the mortal sphere, if the mortal sphere is understood to the area of influence. I think you are a shill for your own self justifications, and nothing more. Get a life my friend.

[_Mercury]

This year and a half expierement taught me that the Mormon culture is a caste system in which a pool of willing serfs are shepherded by the Mormon elite.

Loran:

No further quoting is necessary. I really, really don't know who you think your're fooling, how early you believe you have to get up in the moring to do it, and what quantities of psychotropic compounds are necessary to cauterize your conscience after each episode with these utterly hysterical screeds you keep posting. Nobody...nobody who actually knows faithful, practicing Mormons is ever going to believe you Vegas, and many of them are going to walk away from you with the terms liar, bigot, and ass running through their minds from the encounter.

You're probably are really unaware of the intelligence insulting nature of much of what you write, and how much it looks like similar bigoted, demagogic ranting against other un-politically correct subgroups within the present society. It would not surprise me in the least were the exmo intellectual Thugee cult that has grown to such prominence on the Internet to actually produce, at some point, its very own Protocols of The Elders of Israel. Oh, wait a minute. They have. Its called The Godmakers.

Following this excrumentally explicit temper tantrum I am reminded of my own state of mind while locked in the cult. All I remember is thinking that the damn exmormons are out to get us all and all they do is lie. Then, following a thorough and critical examination of the claims shades and Nort make I made the leap out of the cult and into a rational approach towards life.

This secret cabal you speak of is true. We all get together, say the articles of faith backwards and have wild a$$ damned parties while in our old temple clothes.

Your black-and-white aproach to Mormon opposition camps is unsurprising and it is illuminating on just how little you know about what is out there countering your small marginalised worldview.

[_Roger Morrison]

OK Loran, i'll try "nice". First you post:

Loran:

Anyone who thrives on psychological dysfunction should be on a couch, whether to their credit or not. ( Right! If only they'd present them selves there'd be a lot less abusivness.) bold added



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My experience has been as a convert in the far reaches of the Canadian Mission Field. A group of poor folks, we huddled together against the "cold cruel world" with no discrimination what-so-ever. Well, maybe to those not good enough to remain, or to be on time, or didn't do their HT/VT, or didn't maintain our dress standards... OK, we were discrimating. Because we were/are normal.

We do it all the time. Our off-hours activities, our entertainment, the books we read, the music we enjoy, blah, blah, blah... Who wants to spend time with folks who choose every item above differently than we do??? I'm geting to my point:



Loran:

In other words, you're not a very discricminating sort... (Probably, i am only i like to think "discerning" in a possitive sense. Isn't 'discriminating' part of the process that keeps one out of trouble? Not to be confused with 'prejudice'.) bold added

The last sentence was about trivial matters of which it is below my present intellectual status to critique. Smiling!

Unless you ask me real nice... Begging in humility and awe: PLEASE The best i can do?? And, please comment on boundaries contributing to the intigrating problems of disparate folks. Roger

Loran

[_Coggins7]

Following this excrumentally explicit temper tantrum I am reminded of my own state of mind while locked in the cult. All I remember is thinking that the damn exmormons are out to get us all and all they do is lie. Then, following a thorough and critical examination of the claims shades and Nort make I made the leap out of the cult and into a rational approach towards life.

This secret cabal you speak of is true. We all get together, say the articles of faith backwards and have wild a$$ damned parties while in our old temple clothes.

Your black-and-white aproach to Mormon opposition camps is unsurprising and it is illuminating on just how little you know about what is out there countering your small marginalised worldview.

Loran:

No further quoting is necessary. I really, really don't know who you think your're fooling, how early you believe you have to get up in the moring to do it, and what quantities of psychotropic compounds are necessary to cauterize your conscience after each episode with these utterly hysterical screeds you keep posting. Nobody...nobody who actually knows faithful, practicing Mormons is ever going to believe you Vegas, and many of them are going to walk away from you with the terms liar, bigot, and ass running through their minds from the encounter.

[_rcrocket]

What an asinine thing to say, P. That's certainly one of your best so far.

I will tell my cousin Mitt the next time I see him. But, I will try not to deflect from the topic of your subthread.

I'm glad that I have struck a nerve. Like I say, your post is so transparent. Let's see if I can interpret what goes on in your household. Your husband has never been in the church heirarchy as you define it, and you resent it. The both of you resent it with mean-spirited comments about the brethren that your kids hear. It has been this way in your household for many years. And, you continue to resent anybody, no matter how Christian, Christlike, or gracious, who labors as a bishop or stake president -- even your dear friend.

And, I might add, you and your husband are "face-time" Mormons. Whereas you resent membership in the Church, attendance at meetings, and such, you do demand lots and lots of face time with your local leadership so you can in a backhanded way claim affiliation with the elite power structure.

Oh, the utter moronity of those who like to play sandlot politics. The Church has no place for people like you.

P

[_Randall]

That's not the sense I get of Harmony's husband based on what she has posted. She describes him on the Internet as "TBM" who would be mortified at her degree of unbelief. I think that either one or both of them are prominent in their community, so there may be some face-saving on Harmony's part going on.

[_Jersey Girl]

That's not the sense I get of Harmony's husband based on what she has posted. She describes him on the Internet as "TBM" who would be mortified at her degree of unbelief. I think that either one or both of them are prominent in their community, so there may be some face-saving on Harmony's part going on.

I've not seen harmony comment to that effect. Quote please? Link? Truth by assertion is really not a good idea on boards like this.

Jersey Girl