Is it possible for a sincere, well-informed, psychologically stable person to, after a period of study and prayer, lose faith in the LDS church's truth claims due to problems within church history or teachings?
Apparently, you have to be a conspiracy theorist with a fertile imagination and serious problems with coping and adaptation to find reason to leave the church.
If you have any interest in maturing and progressing emotionally, then you wouldn't fear exploring my option.
Do you really believe this? Can you not think of a reason or two why someone who does want to mature and progress emotionally may not want to explore their life/issues/difficulties/journey with you? Do you think fear is the reason why some folks do not want to explore your "option"?
wenglund wrote: I see you have refuse to take personal responsibility for YOUR CHOICES, and have resorted to blameing the victim (the Church and its members) in a failed attempt at rationalizing your years of unwarranted venting against the gospel of love. No surprise there.
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
I wonder why I bother, but it's not our fault the church turned out to be fake. We did not "victimize" the church or its members by finding out it was fake.
Are you willing to reasonably and rationally test that assertion?
I am.
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
Which assertion? That the church is fake? or that finding out the church is fake does not make the church a victim? Or did you have something else in mind?
If you have any interest in maturing and progressing emotionally, then you wouldn't fear exploring my option.
Do you really believe this? Can you not think of a reason or two why someone who does want to mature and progress emotionally may not want to explore their life/issues/difficulties/journey with you? Do you think fear is the reason why some folks do not want to explore your "option"?
~dancer~
Yes, yes. and yes.
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
I'm not afraid of you, Wade. Should I be? ;-)
That said, I very much doubt you're going to be much help in my journey toward emotional progress and maturity.
Is it possible for a sincere, well-informed, psychologically stable person to, after a period of study and prayer, lose faith in the LDS church's truth claims due to problems within church history or teachings?
Is it possible for a sincere, well-informed, psychologically stable person to, after a period of study and prayer, lose faith in the LDS church's truth claims due to problems within church history or teachings?
Yes.
Then you ought to rethink your previous categoric response. (ie, "through no fault of your own")
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.
Cool. Of course I'm willing to explore that. Otherwise I wouldn't be here, Wade. I'd be among my own kind on RfM, safe from any messy confrontations with reality.
And I spoke too soon. I think it's time to start worrying when you misspell your own name. ;-)
marg wrote:I find it interesting that the 2 guys, Ray and Wade who are expressing concern about the pyschological well being of posters on RFM and claim they are concerned that venting on the board is no good for posters there, are the last 2 one would want to emulate on how to live a successful life. Ray lives alone, in his 50's, so poor he can barely buy a book (last I heard) a failed marriage. He has problems controlling his temper. tWade I believe in his 50's, never married, no kids. Yet these 2 are giving advice on how to live well and deal with others..it's priceless.
Neither of them, in my opinion care about posters on RFM and their well being. Both these men, appear to be self absorbed and by all accounts by many people would be considered failures in life. I think what really is bother them is that criticisms of Mormonism which they identify with personally, hurts their egos.
When I was on FAIR trying to work out my issues with race in the church, Wade tried to paint me out to have some serious mental issues. He was really gentle in his falseness, but it still showed through.
I have a friend who is miserable in Mormonism, yet he's always trying to change other people's way of thinking. I wish I could introduce him to my Mok, though he'd probably faint.
-The Artist Formerly Known as Lyricist
(I don't know what the hell happened to my old screen name. My laptop sucks!)
marg wrote:I find it interesting that the 2 guys, Ray and Wade who are expressing concern about the pyschological well being of posters on RFM and claim they are concerned that venting on the board is no good for posters there, are the last 2 one would want to emulate on how to live a successful life. Ray lives alone, in his 50's, so poor he can barely buy a book (last I heard) a failed marriage. He has problems controlling his temper. tWade I believe in his 50's, never married, no kids. Yet these 2 are giving advice on how to live well and deal with others..it's priceless.
Neither of them, in my opinion care about posters on RFM and their well being. Both these men, appear to be self absorbed and by all accounts by many people would be considered failures in life. I think what really is bother them is that criticisms of Mormonism which they identify with personally, hurts their egos.
When I was on FAIR trying to work out my issues with race in the church, Wade tried to paint me out to have some serious mental issues. He was really gentle in his falseness, but it still showed through.
I have a friend who is miserable in Mormonism, yet he's always trying to change other people's way of thinking. I wish I could introduce him to my Mok, though he'd probably faint.
-The Artist Formerly Known as Lyricist
(I don't know what the hell happened to my old screen name. My laptop sucks!)
Hey, GIMR,
It's good to see you. I remember when you were on FAIR and trying to sort things out. I hope things are better for you.
Is it possible for a sincere, well-informed, psychologically stable person to, after a period of study and prayer, lose faith in the LDS church's truth claims due to problems within church history or teachings?
Yes.
Then you ought to rethink your previous categoric response. (ie, "through no fault of your own")
That wasn't my response. It was harmony's. You ought to rethink who said what.