moksha wrote:I must object to GIMR being bad-mouthed. Her on again off again relationship with the LDS Church was not feigned. She initially responded to the Apostle of Color thread as a matter of interest and on a request by me. I greatly appreciated it because I disliked so many orthodox Mormons accusing me of racism for merely suggesting that the Church would benefit from having an Apostle of Color. It never occurred to me ahead of time that there would be such a strong and negative reaction to this idea at FAIR. GIMR's support on this perhaps revolutionary idea for the Church, should be lauded and not condemned.
Manipulative, back-stabbing, and self-centered heart? That insult is really beneath you Wade. Perhaps you are still smarting from your banishment at FAIR. I know I am. However, FAIR decided you were out of line for your interaction with GIMR, she should not be the recipient of your anger. She actually has the claim for the greater anger: Many were rude to her over there and tried to invalidate her experiences. Juliann in particular rode her case. I think it would be in both your interests to release your anger. Apologizing to GIMR would be a meaningful gesture.
No, Moksha, I am not smarting from my bannishment from FAIR. I was completely accepting and understanding of their actions.
And, it wasn't just the Apostle of Color thread, it was threads that preceeded it and several after it, including a thread where I was attempting to intervene of GIMR's behalf and to help her stop seeing racists behind every bush and racism in perfectly beneign actions. I was attempting to do the same with you in your race baiting thread on Apostle's of Color.
I am not going to apologize for calling things as I see them and trying to correct what I believe is wrong. I will leave wrongful apologies to the PC types like you, liz, and harmony.
You have now officially won a spot in my heart, for your blogs on the FAIR exiles and just your attention to detail over how UTTERLY STUPID the goings on are over there.
I know that some TBMs on here will say that you're just causing trouble, but I'm sorry, FAIR's attempts at fascim are just too much not to be laughed at publicly. And the fact that you are willing to tell the stories of LDS and non alike is laudable. The "other" site wouldn't have ever done such a thing. Good job, man!
What I find terribly ironic about your contempt for FAIR is that I was booted from FAIR specifically because of my posts to you. They were protecting you from me. And, now you call their actions UTTERLY STUPID.
At that time many of the FAIRites gave you the benefit of the doubt, and attempted to befriend and consol and understand you. And, now you call their actions UTTERLY STUPID.
I am sure they may now be wondering about you: "with friends like that, who needs enemies".
Whereas, I quickly saw through your fiegned re-fellowship, right to your race-baiting, manipulative, back-stabbing, and self-centered heart. But, I don't consider FAIR as UTTERLY STUPID. I just consider them good-hearted and perhaps a bit foolish to have trusted the likes of you.
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
Wade, nicely put, kiss my ass. You labeled me as mental because your church has a racist past.
FAIR didn't see me as a friend, they just didn't have much cause to ban me. You see, I'm not like you, a sanctimonious prick who thinks he's Dr. Phil to the masses.
I consider FAIR as utterly stupid, but I am sorry that you got kicked out of your paradise for being what you are. Maybe you can use some of that readily available therapy on yourself.
To everyone else on this thread who came to my defense, thank you.
Wade, you need to get a grip. Seriously. My journey through the church was a very painful and emotionally debilitating one, mainly because of the deception involved. I made it clear what my issues with organized religion were, INCLUDING RACISM (but from a black against white POV, how ironic, WADE), and those elders lied to my face and told me the church was the end of all my problems.
Five painful years later, including three just trying to get my name removed, I am free.
Wade, you didn't get booted because of me. You got booted because you have some personal problems, and even FAIR couldn't stand being embarrased by you. If your behavior towards me warranted banning, then folks like Kemara wouldn't still be there.
I am not going to apologize for calling things as I see them and trying to correct what I believe is wrong. I will leave wrongful apologies to the PC types like you, liz, and harmony.
Wade, you are such a hypocrite! In another thread you talk about the importance of self-evaluation, yet you refuse to do it yourself.
You contradict yourself at every turn.
At least Pahoran, Gaz, and Paul have the intelligence and scriptural knowledge to formulate credible debates.
Edited to add....it is a compliment to be lumped in with Harmony, Moksha, and Truth Dancer. :)
I have appreciated your heartfelt and honest sharing of your spiritual journey. After reading some of your thoughts over the years, I often found myself reflecting on your courage. I frequently felt impressed with your strength, and your deep desire to find God.
Please know that many of us in the cyber world, empathize with your long religious struggle and applaud your efforts to sort things out and find peace.
I'm looking to get a car for Christmas. I have a younger brother to visit who lives down past you. When I travel down (probably in late winter, early spring) I'll have to drop through!
This is what I love about these kinds of biased emotional outpourings above. GIMR can have her struggles with the Church and FAIR, and that is okay, and sympathy and empathy and understanding abound.
But, if I have struggles with GIMR regarding her struggles with the Church and FAIR, then I need to get a grip and I have personal problems that are an embarassment and I don't self-evaluate and I contradict myself at every turn and I don't have the intellectual and scriptural knowledge to formulate a credible debate and there is no empathy and understanding towards me to be found.
Yes, I can certainly see how that makes me the hypocrite. LOL
I didn't call you a hypocrite Wade, I called you a sanctimonious prick. Two different things.
You, my little pain, have no right to tell me that I can't feel hurt by what I went through in the church. You have no right to tell me that what I went through was due to some mental or emotional deficiency. You have no right to try to step in as my savior.
Like WhoKnows pointed out, those issues are (well, were) my problem, not yours.
When I finally got that simple letter saying my name was removed, my anger ceased. The church has no hold on me any longer, they will not be following me wherever I go, due to the hints of those LDS near me that I do know. It's over. I've moved on to a more meaningful and genuine ministry. If you choose to stay LDS, then do so. If you are happy there, then may you continue to be blessed in that direction. But you need to seriously go back to doing your own spiritual housecleaning, instead of having your pointy white nose in everyone else's business. No one here needs to answer to your evaluations of how angry they were or are. Your bigotry against people who have problems with the church only perpetuates the problem that people continue to have with the church. You're just one of their puppets, hell bent on painting everyone who doesn't leave according to your standards as a nut.
But, if I have struggles with GIMR regarding her struggles with the Church and FAIR, then I need to get a grip and I have personal problems that are an embarassment and I don't self-evaluate and I contradict myself at every turn and I don't have the intellectual and scriptural knowledge to formulate a credible debate and there is no empathy and understanding towards me to be found.
Actually I think more people have empathy towards you than you realize. I'm also pretty sure most folks think you have a lot of scriptural knowledge and can formulate a credible debate. I even think most folks understand you. I just don't think they agree with your conclusions, ideas, or methodology.