Dude, she is playing you like a fiddle, no make that a violin.
I know this may sound harsh, but for gads sake she needs to grow up.
As soon as you give in to her alligator tears, she will have a gallon of em on the ready.
Good grief. "alligator tears"? Do you possess ANY humanity?
I speak from experience. In my first year of enjoying Sundays outside of the stuffy sleepy Mormon meetings, while she took all of our kids to church alone, she had the same hints, and I too had the same quiet thoughts of going back because I could see it was hurting her.
In the long run it made my wife stronger and she stands on her own now. This is part of the problem for your wife Runtu, she , like most Mormon wifes, have spent most of their lives feeling like they are expected to lean on the man for the priesthood that they are told that they need. Look at this as a refiners fire.
Stoke the fire brother, it need to get hotter for the glaze to melt.
by the way, my outcome is that my wife is just about out.
Polygamy Porter wrote:I speak from experience. In my first year of enjoying Sundays outside of the stuffy sleepy Mormon meetings, while she took all of our kids to church alone, she had the same hints, and I too had the same quiet thoughts of going back because I could see it was hurting her.
In the long run it made my wife stronger and she stands on her own now. This is part of the problem for your wife Runtu, she , like most Mormon wifes, have spent most of their lives feeling like they are expected to lean on the man for the priesthood that they are told that they need. Look at this as a refiners fire.
Stoke the fire brother, it need to get hotter for the glaze to melt.
by the way, my outcome is that my wife is just about out.
I don't recall Runtu saying he wants his wife and family "out". I stand corrected if I am wrong. I think he loves and respects his wife and family, and does not want to make decisions for them. Even subtly.
Polygamy Porter wrote:I speak from experience. In my first year of enjoying Sundays outside of the stuffy sleepy Mormon meetings, while she took all of our kids to church alone, she had the same hints, and I too had the same quiet thoughts of going back because I could see it was hurting her.
In the long run it made my wife stronger and she stands on her own now. This is part of the problem for your wife Runtu, she , like most Mormon wifes, have spent most of their lives feeling like they are expected to lean on the man for the priesthood that they are told that they need. Look at this as a refiners fire.
Stoke the fire brother, it need to get hotter for the glaze to melt.
by the way, my outcome is that my wife is just about out.
I don't recall Runtu saying he wants his wife and family "out". I stand corrected if I am wrong. I think he loves and respects his wife and family, and does not want to make decisions for them. Even subtly.
What level minded man would NOT want their dear wife out of the group that they themselves have realized is a mind f'ck?
Again Ray, orGAZum, Coggy-dis, and asspestosman, Runtu is not merely inactive, he had an epiphany, a light bulb turned on, he KNOWS that Mormonism is a cult that sucks the life out of its victims. He knows more than the four of you combined.
Polygamy Porter wrote:What level minded man would NOT want their dear wife out of the group that they themselves have realized is a mind f'ck?
Again Ray, orGAZum, Coggy-dis, and asspestosman, Runtu is not merely inactive, he had an epiphany, a light bulb turned on, he KNOWS that Mormonism is a cult that sucks the life out of its victims. He knows more than the four of you combined.
Of course he wants his life companion OUT. HELLO?
Out for what? He may love his wife for what she is, and her LDS inspired loyalty and fidelity. He's been married 20 years, and in the temple. Sure, he's had a crisis of faith, but I think he still sees the virtues and benefits of Mormonism. His wife, and his marriage, have been shaped by these values.
There are no "alligator tears" here PP. This is a family. These are human beings working out relationships that will determine the rest of their lives. And you want to reduce it to "cult problems". For God's sake have some humanity. Not everyone thinks in black and white like you do.
Polygamy Porter wrote:What level minded man would NOT want their dear wife out of the group that they themselves have realized is a mind f'ck?
Again Ray, orGAZum, Coggy-dis, and asspestosman, Runtu is not merely inactive, he had an epiphany, a light bulb turned on, he KNOWS that Mormonism is a cult that sucks the life out of its victims. He knows more than the four of you combined.
Of course he wants his life companion OUT. HELLO?
Out for what? He may love his wife for what she is, and her LDS inspired loyalty and fidelity. He's been married 20 years, and in the temple. Sure, he's had a crisis of faith, but I think he still sees the virtues and benefits of Mormonism. His wife, and his marriage, have been shaped by these values.
Ray,
Your putting words in runtu's mouth here. Let's see what he says about the debate so far and let him speak for himself on whether he sees value in Mormonism.
Bond
"Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded."-charity 3/7/07
Your putting words in runtu's mouth here. Let's see what he says about the debate so far and let him speak for himself on whether he sees value in Mormonism.
Bond
Indeed I may. I await Runtu's clarification. But I'm not siding with the angry ex-Mormon bigots who think they are mind-readers, either.
Polygamy Porter wrote:What level minded man would NOT want their dear wife out of the group that they themselves have realized is a mind f'ck?
Again Ray, orGAZum, Coggy-dis, and asspestosman, Runtu is not merely inactive, he had an epiphany, a light bulb turned on, he KNOWS that Mormonism is a cult that sucks the life out of its victims. He knows more than the four of you combined.
Of course he wants his life companion OUT. HELLO?
Out for what? He may love his wife for what she is, and her LDS inspired loyalty and fidelity. He's been married 20 years, and in the temple. Sure, he's had a crisis of faith, but I think he still sees the virtues and benefits of Mormonism. His wife, and his marriage, have been shaped by these values.
There are no "alligator tears" here PP. This is a family. These are human beings working out relationships that will determine the rest of their lives. And you want to reduce it to "cult problems". For God's sake have some humanity. Not everyone thinks in black and white like you do.
Would you like to place a wager on this?
$100 says Runtu wants nothing short of his wife dumping the cult.
Polygamy Porter wrote:Would you like to place a wager on this?
$100 says Runtu wants nothing short of his wife dumping the cult.
I only bet on the Melbourne Cup. But no, I do not believe Runtu wants his wife or family "dumping the cult".
I think, unlike you, he wants them to live their own lives and make their own decisions. And I also think he loves and respects his wife too much to try to sway her either way, and wants her to be happy.
The problem with you, PP, is that you think everyone should think like you do. Sorry to disturb your grand illusuion of "liberation", but others don't.
Polygamy Porter wrote:Would you like to place a wager on this?
$100 says Runtu wants nothing short of his wife dumping the cult.
I only bet on the Melbourne Cup. But no, I do not believe Runtu wants his wife or family "dumping the cult".
I think, unlike you, he wants them to live their own lives and make their own decisions. And I also think he loves and respects his wife too much to try to sway her either way, and wants her to be happy.
The problem with you, PP, is that you think everyone should think like you do. Sorry to disturb your grand illusuion of "liberation", but others don't.
We shall see, Ray.
Runtu is not like you, he does not believe in the Book of Mormon as you do. He himself knows that it all is 100% fecal matter.
Tell you what, lets wager $50 USD on this. The loser must PayPal the funds to the board.
Are you game?
I am, and have a $50 donation to Shady Acres to put on the table.