No one really gives a damn

[_OUT OF MY MISERY]

50% are you guys sure???
I know this is a stupid question...but why send them if 50% of the RM's become inactive???

To me that sounds like taking one step forward and two steps back

[_harmony]

50% are you guys sure???
I know this is a stupid question...but why send them if 50% of the RM's become inactive???

To me that sounds like taking one step forward and two steps back

It's more like take a step forward and a half a step back.

And it makes as much sense as sending 60,000 missionaries into the field, all the while knowing 95% of the baptisms will drop out within the first year.

[_Mercury]

50% are you guys sure???
I know this is a stupid question...but why send them if 50% of the RM's become inactive???

To me that sounds like taking one step forward and two steps back

It's more like take a step forward and a half a step back.

And it makes as much sense as sending 60,000 missionaries into the field, all the while knowing 95% of the baptisms will drop out within the first year.

So in actuality the church might be LOOSING more people from the missionary program than gaining them. Given 50.000 missionaries deployed every year, I do not think they are making up teh "difference" in baptisms when attrition is taken into account. Hmmm

[_harmony]

50% are you guys sure???
I know this is a stupid question...but why send them if 50% of the RM's become inactive???

To me that sounds like taking one step forward and two steps back

It's more like take a step forward and a half a step back.

And it makes as much sense as sending 60,000 missionaries into the field, all the while knowing 95% of the baptisms will drop out within the first year.

So in actuality the church might be LOOSING more people from the missionary program than gaining them. Given 50.000 missionaries deployed every year, I do not think they are making up teh "difference" in baptisms when attrition is taken into account. Hmmm

It says a lot about the inspiration and revelatory abilities of the GA's that the only way they can think to fix the problem with the numbers is two-fold: lie about the numbers and 'raise the bar'. In other words, keep the truth from the members on the one hand and blame the members on the other. At no point does anyone in a leadership position ever take responsibility for the program's failures. They play the Blame Game and the Secret Card. No wonder we're not getting anywhere.

[_OUT OF MY MISERY]

Believe me when I say I am truly sorry about this...Harmony

Who are they Blaming the Missionaries right or us that have fallen away
Missionaries should not be blamed...that is not fair for these young men to be blamed

I think I understand about the secret card...maybe


I try not to lie as much as possible because sooner or later you get caught up in the lies..which is happening with the CHurch.....RAISE THE BAR what do you mean exactly by this?? Harmony

[_harmony]

Believe me when I say I am truly sorry about this...Harmony

Who are they Blaming the Missionaries right or us that have fallen away
Missionaries should not be blamed...that is not fair for these young men to be blamed

I think I understand about the secret card...maybe


I try not to lie as much as possible because sooner or later you get caught up in the lies..which is happening with the CHurch.....RAISE THE BAR what do you mean exactly by this?? Harmony

Who do they blame? Everyone but themselves. The missionaries, the parents, the members, the investigators. Everyone but themselves.

Raising the bar? A couple of years ago, the GA's decided that the reason the missionary program wasn't working as well as they'd hoped it would was because too many unworthy or unsuitable or unprepared or unwilling missionaries were going out. So they supposedly raised the bar, making it more difficult for those sub-par missionaries to go out. It didn't work, but that is beside the point as far as they are concerned.

[_ajax18]

#1 son's mission experience has been an overall plus. He learned a difficult foreign language and learned to manuever successfully within that culture. His knowledge of the foreign language and culture (Japanese) has helped him in his business (as a consultant with an international computer business). His MP was an almost complete SOB, but my son didn't spend much time with him, because he was never in a leadership position (the MP wouldn't have known an inspiration if it bit him in the butt). Overall, I'd give it a thumb's up.

Just for everyone's gee-whiz files: Harmony's son and I were in the same mission and had the same mission president as mentioned above.

Small world, eh?

Son #?

[_ajax18]

I still don't regret my mission. I think I did a lot of good. Like it or not, the mission did teach me a lot of Christ like principles and gave me an oppurtunity to put the gospel into practice as I would never have been able to do in any other way. I still think what I did was important to the Lord and for the next life.

Yet I'll admit that the mission showed me a side of the Church, or the people that run it, that I didn't like. President Hinckley asked us to let the Church be like a good old friend. Yet it really was anything but that. It was more like an insatiable task master, and honestly what I hear in Church does little more than drag me down. Hence I understand why missionaries often come home and keep their distance from the Church. And sadly the mission kind of showed me where a lot of their reasoning on salvation and the purpose of life was either ridiculously vague with no central doctrine, or simply didn't add up and was wrong.

Sound like a contradiction? That's just the way I saw it.

[_Dr. Shades]

Just for everyone's gee-whiz files: Harmony's son and I were in the same mission and had the same mission president as mentioned above.

Small world, eh?

Son #?

OOPS! Son #1.

[_Mercury]

Just for everyone's gee-whiz files: Harmony's son and I were in the same mission and had the same mission president as mentioned above.

Small world, eh?

Son #?

OOPS! Son #1.

My bro served in the same mission. Started in 2000.