If I were a Christian......

[_Coggins7]

Scratch does do a bang up job of carrying on the pretense of being well read and "intellectual", but some of us here have already called that game.


Loran

[_Mister Scratch]

Scratch does do a bang up job of carrying on the pretense of being well read and "intellectual", but some of us here have already called that game.


Loran

Nowhere has anyone done any such thing. The closest you have come to that was when you chickened out of the discussion on whether or not the Church has ever lied. You couldn't tolerate the fact that "lie" carries multiple, nuanced definitions, and so you had to resort to the sort of personalized slander above.

[_msnobody]

I would be incapable of having thirty-five billion dollars in my pocket while people starve.

I couldn't tell little girls that their sole purpose in life is to have children and serve a husband.

I would never lie.

I would insist that anything less than an egalitarian society is not good enough.

The evidence that we have does not point to the existence of Jesus. Still, I can't help hoping and wishing that He existed because I think that if we actually followed His teachings, we would literally save the world.

Question:

Do you believe that Jesus Christ is a historical figure, a fable, or the actual savior of the world?

Thanks,

Cricket

LOL. Trust me, you would still lie at times.

I haven't read the many posts since the original, but since you asked, I believe that Jesus is a historical figure, and Savior of sinners. I am one of the persuasion that the LDS gospel is not particularly good news, but a vast distortion of the gospel.

[_Roger Morrison]

Hi Cricket, so now you know how diverse this "Community" is. LOL! AS in all groups high and low IQs, EQs, tolerances, bigotry, prejudice, charity, pretense, integrity, fairness, maliciousness, and BLAH-BLAH.... Sometimes a sounding board that can't seem to find, or stay on tune... like the harangue between the "pots" and "kettles" a few posts above who seem oblivious to the "Christian expectation" question you started all of this drama with :-) Just the way it is with evolving folks.

I gotta say your use of the word "CRAP" was EXTREMELY over reacted to, IMSCO. This IS the "TERRESTRIAL" zone...as i understand TERR... it is this world. For you to be censured by anyone for using that word in this world, well... But hey, that's how ya git ta know us, eh ;-) We's all different, "Praise da Lord!!!" One of the best here said:

Cricket, your ideas and concerns are on the mark and correct. However, I think that Christians have created a sort of dualist life, where church, sunday, and everything that revolves around that is sacred, and the rest of life is profane. They fail to ascribe full and true Christian principles to every aspect of their lives. As Christians, our duty is not just to assure our own salvation, but to assure the prosperity of the community as a whole, on every level possible, regardless of culture or belief. Sadly, Christianity in this country and across the globe has gotten so caught up in this "club mentality" that we seem to have, that we're missing the true point. And it's heartbreaking.

My boyfriend doesn't go to church. But he's more Christian than many I've met in my lifetime. I grew up with people who swore up and down they were sanctified and saved, yet they couldn't change their own kid's diapers but once a day, and damned everyone to hell who didn't agree with them. Sad, really. My grandma used to tell me I was going to hell every time she saw me.

Your vision is slowly becoming the vision of a new kind of grassroots Christianity that is more concerned with these issues, than with making sure everyone has a Bible in their hand. It's slow work, but I personally try to take heart that someday we'll be in a better place than we are now. (Do you mean here in this life? Or in an after-life in another realm??) Bold added by RM.

I admire you for posting your ideas.

To which i say, "AMEN, GIMR!!" Warm regards, Roger

[_Dr. Shades]

[MODERATOR NOTE: You'll notice that this thread is much shorter. That's because the Telestial-worthy tributary of this thread was moved to (where else?) the Telestial Forum.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.]

Do you believe that Jesus Christ is a historical figure, a fable, or the actual savior of the world?

In my opinion, he was a historical figure about whom many fables were attached, such as being the actual savior of the world.

[_Brackite]

Question:

Do you believe that Jesus Christ is a historical figure, a fable, or the actual savior of the world?

Thanks,

Cricket

I do indeed believe that Jesus Christ is a historical figure. I believe that there is a lot of evidnece for this. As for Jesus Christ being the actual Savior of the world, I sure hope so, because this world does need a Savior.

[_rcrocket]

I do indeed believe that Jesus Christ is a historical figure. I believe that there is a lot of evidnece for this.

State your best contemporaneous evidence outside of the purported contemporaneous New Testament. Please.

P

[_Mister Scratch]

I do indeed believe that Jesus Christ is a historical figure. I believe that there is a lot of evidnece for this.

State your best contemporaneous evidence outside of the purported contemporaneous New Testament. Please.

P

What the...? Are you honestly trying to counter the claim that Jesus was a historical figure? What on earth are you thinking, P.?

[_rcrocket]

Whatsa matter? Can't Brackite answer my question?

[_huckelberry]

contemporaneous evidence outside of the closest thing to contemporaneous evidence that there is.

I find the request for contemporaneous evidence puzzling. Is this a ploy to claim evidence is not helpful to determine what is real and what is not? On the other hand is this just naïve? Should I go looking through the arcives of the Jerusalem daily news first century?

There is virtually no contemporaneous evidence of anythng historical happening that far back in time. Sometimes we get reports after the fact by people interested in making a record. Usually this is about world leaders or very famous individuals.
In the first century Christianity was very very small poor and insignificant. It is remarkable that we have any record at all.

But we do have a whole collection of first century documents about Jesus and the early followers of this person.

Could their accuracy be questioned? The accuracy of any evidence from that time period can be questioned.

Oh dear what a shock! the New Testiment was written after the fact instead being a diary of events as they occured.