DCP: "RfM is My Laboratory"

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_Mister Scratch
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Enuma Elish wrote:
He has now declared that it is an object of serious academic scrutiny for himself.


You’ve misunderstood the quote. Dr. Peterson did not claim that RFM provides an opportunity to gage his own work and/or self along the lines of a “serious academic scrutiny.” He said, “I'm interested, precisely, in the kinds of things that lead people out of the Church.”


That's not what I said... I interpreted his remark to mean that he takes his study of RfM quite seriously. Nowhere did I saying anything about him taking stock of himself.

Stunning, eh?


No, not at all.

For those who wondered why he doesn't have more peer-reviewed publications in his chosen field of study, now you have an answer from the man himself.


Please explain how in the world you came up with this conclusion. I find the idea that Dr. Peterson would use the criticism raised by those at RFM as a type of “peer-review,” more than a little absurd. Very few people who participate in that forum have had any exposure whatsoever to LDS scholarship.

You’ve misrepresented the quote.


No, you've misread my statement. People have argued in the past that Prof. Peterson doesn't have as many peer-reviewed publications in his chosen field as one might expect from a fully-tenured professor. The reason for this, the argument goes, is that he spends the bulk of his time posting on FAIR/MAD and "researching" RfM. Nowhere did I say anything about him getting legitimate "peer review" by the folks at RfM.

But what kind of "laboratory" houses a scientist who routinely flings petty insults and mud at his object of study?


The alleged “petty insults and mud” Dr. Peterson flings could never compare to the hatred directed against him over at RFM.


This doesn't really answer my question.

However, as evidenced by his acceptance of such ludicrous titles as the “Crispy Crème [sic] King,” Dr. Peterson clearly has a sense of humor; he fails to take both himself and those at RFM too seriously.


Unless I'm mistaken, "Krispy Kreme King" was a self-applied label.

What could honestly be the purpose of this?


You’ll have to ask him. But in addition to the fact I find his signature lines quite funny, perhaps he intends to draw our attention to the absolute absurdity of the expressed opinion.


So... what? Are you saying that the purpose of his sig. lines is to ridicule his purported object of study? That certainly doesn't reflect very well on his seriousness as a scholar.

It's sort of pointless for me to cite these insulting quotes like this.


Insulting to who? Dr. Peterson? LDS Apologists?


Insulting to Prof. P. You must have missed the quotation marks which surrounded the citation.

In fact, it seems a tad sophomoric."


Dr. Peterson has continually expressed his view that contrary to the opinion held by many of their participants, message boards are not the place of serious scholarship.


Why did he say he regards RfM as his "laboratory," then?

What’s wrong with being a bit “sophomoric” in this environment?

Lighten up a little.


I could say the same to you.
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Post by _Enuma Elish »

That's not what I said... I interpreted his remark to mean that he takes his study of RfM quite seriously.


I’m sure he does. I think Dr. Peterson is very interested in the types of issues that lead people to abandon Mormonism.

Nowhere did I saying [sic] anything about him taking stock of himself.


Sorry, I misunderstood your intention for the resumptive pronoun.

People have argued in the past that Prof. Peterson doesn't have as many peer-reviewed publications in his chosen field as one might expect from a fully tenured professor. The reason for this, the argument goes, is that he spends the bulk of his time posting on FAIR/MAD and "researching" RfM.


And no doubt those people possess a first-hand knowledge concerning all of Dr. Peterson’s work and the expectations held by most universities in order to qualify as a full-tenured professor, so that with this knowledge, they are fully qualified to render such a judgment.

Nowhere did I say anything about him getting legitimate "peer review" by the folks at RfM.


Glad to see that we can agree on this point.

Unless I'm mistaken, "Krispy Kreme King" was a self-applied label.


I really don’t know the history. But the title certainly represents the long held portrayal of the man over on RFM. He didn’t come up with the alleged "donut obsession" on his own—if I’m not mistaken, Dan doesn’t even like donuts.

So... what? Are you saying that the purpose of his sig. lines is to ridicule his purported object of study?


The word ridicule is your word, not mine.

That certainly doesn't reflect very well on his seriousness as a scholar.


Since when do scholars posting on a web board need to remain “serious.”? I suppose on some levels, I’m a scholar, but those who know me can vouch for the fact that I am seldom serious.

Insulting to Prof. P. You must have missed the quotation marks which surrounded the citation.


And why should it reflect negatively on Dan if he chooses to highlight insults directed against him?

Why did he say he regards RfM as his "laboratory," then?

Dan’s interest in the reasons people leave the LDS Church that are articulated over on the oddly named “recovery” board does not negate the fact that message boards do not provide the most effective means to convey true scholarship.

I could say the same to you.


Well, OK then. I certainly will.
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Mister Scratch wrote:Why did he say he regards RfM as his "laboratory," then?


He said it's a kind of laboratory. In other words he observes why people are leaving the Church. I don't think anyone would be unconcerned or unmoved by some of the stories posted on RFM. I explained some of my reasons to him, and some of the things I found difficult to accept or believe, and he listened with interest. He was "observing", and never at any time tried to counter or argue with my reasons.
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Post by _Mister Scratch »

Enuma Elish wrote:
That's not what I said... I interpreted his remark to mean that he takes his study of RfM quite seriously.


I’m sure he does. I think Dr. Peterson is very interested in the types of issues that lead people to abandon Mormonism.

Nowhere did I say [sic] anything about him taking stock of himself.


Sorry, I misunderstood your intention for the resumptive pronoun.

People have argued in the past that Prof. Peterson doesn't have as many peer-reviewed publications in his chosen field as one might expect from a fully tenured professor. The reason for this, the argument goes, is that he spends the bulk of his time posting on FAIR/MAD and "researching" RfM.


And no doubt those people possess a first-hand knowledge concerning all of Dr. Peterson’s work and the expectations held by most universities in order to qualify as a full-tenured professor, so that with this knowledge, they are fully qualified to render such a judgment.

Nowhere did I say anything about him getting legitimate "peer review" by the folks at RfM.


Glad to see that we can agree on this point.

Unless I'm mistaken, "Krispy Kreme King" was a self-applied label.


I really don’t know the history. But the title certainly represents the long held portrayal of the man over on RFM. He didn’t come up with the alleged "donut obsession" on his own—if I’m not mistaken, Dan doesn’t even like donuts.

So... what? Are you saying that the purpose of his sig. lines is to ridicule his purported object of study?


The word ridicule is your word, not mine.


Which word would you like, Enuma? What function do you think the sig. lines serve?

That certainly doesn't reflect very well on his seriousness as a scholar.


Since when do scholars posting on a web board need to remain “serious.”? I suppose on some levels, I’m a scholar, but those who know me can vouch for the fact that I am seldom serious.

Insulting to Prof. P. You must have missed the quotation marks which surrounded the citation.


And why should it reflect negatively on Dan if he chooses to highlight insults directed against him?


How does it reflect positively? In all honesty, EE: what purpose does highlighting the insults serve?

Why did he say he regards RfM as his "laboratory," then?

Dan’s interest in the reasons people leave the LDS Church that are articulated over on the oddly named “recovery” board does not negate the fact that message boards do not provide the most effective means to convey true scholarship.


Who ever said they did? The point is that DCP has said that he views RfM as a worthwhile object of serious academic inquiry. It's unclear to me what you're taking issue with here, EE.
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Post by _Enuma Elish »

Wow. The man is truly arrogant.


I know the man personally. While he is certainly confident, I have never, ever received the impression that he is in anyway arrogant. He’s actually a very kind, warm person that most people really enjoy being around.
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Post by _MormonMendacity »

Enuma Elish wrote:
Wow. The man is truly arrogant.


I know the man personally. While he is certainly confident, I have never, ever received the impression that he is in anyway arrogant. He’s actually a very kind, warm person that most people really enjoy being around.


Well...I would suppose the "...in anyway arrogant..." comment might be because you've never disagreed with him. On the web, he has come across as arrogant when he said, and I paraphrase, "Grant Palmer is not an insider and if he claims this status because he's LDS then it's irrelevant."

It sounded very arrogant, dismissive and typical of the ad hominems of Dr. Peterson's ilk.
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Post by _Sam Harris »

Scratch, DCP is nothing more than a mad scientist who injects heroin into mice to see what they do.
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Post by _harmony »

Enuma Elish wrote:
Wow. The man is truly arrogant.


I know the man personally. While he is certainly confident, I have never, ever received the impression that he is in anyway arrogant. He’s actually a very kind, warm person that most people really enjoy being around.


Hmmmm... Dan does that a lot too (claims to "know [fill in the blank] personally"). But really, my money's on Monitor at this point.
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Post by _Sam Harris »

Pokatator wrote:A prayer by Dr. Dan Peterson .02

A straight jacket for Dr. Pete 59.95

A room with wall to wall padding 2000.00

This thread.............................PRICELESS




They're going mad over there!



Ok, Pokatator...ohmygosh!

I'm not one to laugh out loud at home given the atmosphere here, but I am laughing TEARS over here, and you just gave me the most therapeutic, loud belly laugh I have had in weeks! Thank you!
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Post by _beastie »

I have to admit I view MAD as a kind of laboratory, too. It demonstrates a good microcosm of the intellectual's attempt to reconcile religious belief with his/her respect for reliable facts.

It's getting pretty old, though, and beginning to look all like reruns.
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