Church Liability Insurance

[_silentkid]

Plutarch:
Was the packet that the member of the stake presidency mentioned just part of the church's self-insurance or was it dealing with liability? He made it sound like it had to do with liability.
My parents have been full tithe payers for decades...maybe some of that money can come back to help them. My dad is recently out of a job and my mom was the sole source of income. That is why this is an issue. I don't think this has anything to do with apostate opinions or getting back at the church.

[_Who Knows]

...Maybe this will help the church rethink the new cleaning policy...maybe it won't even register as a blip on their radar.

Of course it will help - as it should.

It took kids getting molested in primary for the church to start putting windows on the classroom doors.

And Plutarch - you're an ass. Suggesting someone get an attorney is a no-brainer. They often have a lot more experience in dealing with these types of things - they can suggest things that may not be apparent to the lay-person.

It's not about 'threatening the church'. it's about making a wrong a right (if there was a 'wrong') - and doing it in the most logical way possible (a.k.a. - getting an attorney).

[_Yoda]

Plutarch:
Was the packet that the member of the stake presidency mentioned just part of the church's self-insurance or was it dealing with liability? He made it sound like it had to do with liability.
My parents have been full tithe payers for decades...maybe some of that money can come back to help them. My dad is recently out of a job and my mom was the sole source of income. That is why this is an issue. I don't think this has anything to do with apostate opinions or getting back at the church.

It doesn't...and Plutarch should be eating crow for even appearing to suggest that it does.

[_rcrocket]

Plutarch:
Was the packet that the member of the stake presidency mentioned just part of the church's self-insurance or was it dealing with liability? He made it sound like it had to do with liability.
My parents have been full tithe payers for decades...maybe some of that money can come back to help them. My dad is recently out of a job and my mom was the sole source of income. That is why this is an issue. I don't think this has anything to do with apostate opinions or getting back at the church.

I have no clue what "packet" you are talking about. Bishops get all sorts of packets.

You don't to justify the tithing issue with me, as I said in my initial post. But, if you feel compelled to do so, go ahead. Go ahead an hire a lawyer to get back at the church if it makes you feel better.

P

[_rcrocket]

...Maybe this will help the church rethink the new cleaning policy...maybe it won't even register as a blip on their radar.

Of course it will help - as it should.

It took kids getting molested in primary for the church to start putting windows on the classroom doors.

And Plutarch - you're an ass. Suggesting someone get an attorney is a no-brainer. They often have a lot more experience in dealing with these types of things - they can suggest things that may not be apparent to the lay-person.

It's not about 'threatening the church'. it's about making a wrong a right (if there was a 'wrong') - and doing it in the most logical way possible (a.k.a. - getting an attorney).

OK. You've convinced me. Hire a lawyer; he'll take 1/3 of your recovery right out of the settlement. Don't make a direct claim to the church with a letter; that way, the lawyer will get his digs into it and you'll be able to spread it around a little more. And, gee, maybe you'll get an apology from the Church with the bishop on bleeding knees begging your forgiveness, as well as a new policy shutting down every building during bad weather. I like this approach. Do it.

P

[_Who Knows]

OK. You've convinced me. Hire a lawyer; he'll take 1/3 of your recovery right out of the settlement.

2/3 of $10 is better than $0.

Don't make a direct claim to the church with a letter; that way, the lawyer will get his digs into it and you'll be able to spread it around a little more.

Jumping the gun aren't you? No one said to not deal directly with the church. I think everyone was just suggesting that getting some help/advice/whatever from an attorney would be helpful.

And, gee, maybe you'll get an apology from the Church with the bishop on bleeding knees begging your forgiveness

I'm not sure his mom cares about that (or even wants that). She just wants to be fair (from what i've read).

as well as a new policy shutting down every building during bad weather. I like this approach. Do it.

Yeah, it's so horrible to cancel church during bad whether when the church can't properly maintain it's grounds. Are you seriously telling me that you have a problem with this? Schools do it all the time. Would you suggest that schools no longer cancel school when it may be harmful to the kids to try and go to school?

Take a chill pill Pluto.

[Guest]

...Maybe this will help the church rethink the new cleaning policy...maybe it won't even register as a blip on their radar.

Of course it will help - as it should.

It took kids getting molested in primary for the church to start putting windows on the classroom doors.

And Plutarch - you're an ass. Suggesting someone get an attorney is a no-brainer. They often have a lot more experience in dealing with these types of things - they can suggest things that may not be apparent to the lay-person.

It's not about 'threatening the church'. it's about making a wrong a right (if there was a 'wrong') - and doing it in the most logical way possible (a.k.a. - getting an attorney).

OK. You've convinced me. Hire a lawyer; he'll take 1/3 of your recovery right out of the settlement. Don't make a direct claim to the church with a letter; that way, the lawyer will get his digs into it and you'll be able to spread it around a little more. And, gee, maybe you'll get an apology from the Church with the bishop on bleeding knees begging your forgiveness, as well as a new policy shutting down every building during bad weather. I like this approach. Do it.

P

It isn't about threatening the church, it's about getting your damages covered. Would you get all defensive if a person were to sue for a slip and fall in a supermarket parking lot -- if the supermarket weren't owned by the church -- for example? Do you represent insurance companies, by any chance?

Silent Kid, a personal injury attorney will take 1/3 of the settlment/judgment as his fee, generally, but he will go for an amount that will cover his fee and your damages to begin with. Again, I wouldn't look for an attorney yet, or take any offered settlement from the insurance company until your mother has a complete idea of her losses (medical bills, lost income, etc.) and then proceed in a way to recover as best as possible. Be objective, don't worry about funds coming from tithing, if in fact they do (as Harmony reminds us, the books are not open on this subject), and the church is just another malfeasor when it comes to not maintaining their property.

Edit: In my state the statute of limitations on this sort of thing is two years. That means, after two years you have no recourse. Be sure you know what the statute is in your state so if you do need a lawyer you will need to begin with him before the time is up and best to do so well before the time is up. Meanwhile, keep records of everything.

[_Yoda]

You don't to justify the tithing issue with me, as I said in my initial post. But, if you feel compelled to do so, go ahead. Go ahead an hire a lawyer to get back at the church if it makes you feel better.

Good grief, Plutarch, are you really an attorney? It seems like you don't even have a sound view of what your profession entails. I thought you were being sarcastic in another thread when you said that you weren't a very good attorney. Maybe you were being serious!

Hiring a lawyer doesn't necessarily mean he wants to "get back at the Chruch". He stated very clearly that "getting back at the Church" is not his goal.

Do you have a reading problem as well? In an earlier post, Silentkid stated that his parents have been faithful tithe payors, and are faithful Church-goers. His Mom was injured because the Church parking lot was not taken care of properly. She is currently the sole provider of their family. How dare you try to make him feel guilty for trying to protect his Mom's rights!

OK. You've convinced me. Hire a lawyer; he'll take 1/3 of your recovery right out of the settlement. Don't make a direct claim to the church with a letter; that way, the lawyer will get his digs into it and you'll be able to spread it around a little more. And, gee, maybe you'll get an apology from the Church with the bishop on bleeding knees begging your forgiveness, as well as a new policy shutting down every building during bad weather. I like this approach. Do it.

P

Who Knows is right. You're an ass. I agree with your suggestion, however. It's the only thing you've said that makes sense. He should write the letter to the Bishop. I also think he should cc it to the Stake President because it seems like the Stake President knew more about the process, and that way, he'll have some added documentation.

Why do you have to be such a jerk about everything? If Silentkid's bishop had simply told him about the process you suggested to begin with, he wouldn't have started this thread in the first place. Sheesh!

[_moksha]

...as well as a new policy shutting down every building during bad weather. I like this approach. Do it.

P

Hmmm, sort of like an extended Sunday vacation? Could we put on our snow shoes and visit the Church of the Open Air Cathedral up near Kamas instead? by the way, you failed to mention how this would cause starvation in Bangladesh.

[_silentkid]

I'd like to thank everyone for the advice and I'll keep you posted on what I find out.

Plutarch: Who pissed in your cornflakes? You're not the one in pain and out of work. Even though you suggested that the church buildings should close down in inclement weather in sarcasm, I think it's a good idea if they can't maintain the buildings and parking lots. The church could use a lesson in common sense. Why not cancel meetings for a Sunday? What's wrong with hiring someone to clear and de-ice the parking lot after a major storm?