If the Word of Wisdom prohibits alcohol consumption

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Brackite wrote:
And we're supposed to accept the authority of Wikipedia? Are you joking? Could you do better than that, please?


Wikipedia is just rightly Pointing out that the Word of Wisdom does Not prohibit the consumption of beer or any other drinks that are low in alcohol content. Anyway, it is pretty well documented that Joseph Smith along with some of the other early Latter-day Saints did drink beer on occasions. Please Check out and See: http://www.xmission.com/~country/reason/w_wisdom.htm


They also drank wine and tea. As has already been pointed out, it was originally a principle designed to protect the weak and the addicted. It was not originally intended for everyone.
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harmony wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:why did the Prophet Joseph Smith himself partake of alcohol?

Jersey Girl


He also owned a bar.


Wrong,

He wanted to open one but Emma stopped it.
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Jersey Girl wrote:why did the Prophet Joseph Smith himself partake of alcohol?

Jersey Girl


Because the WoW was not intitially binding on the saints. It was a Word of Wisdom, advice, encouragement, etc.

It was not until the early 1900's that the LDS Church adopted it as mandatory.

It did receive varying emphasis during the years prior to that.
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maklelan wrote:I'm surprised that people knowledgeable enough in church history and doctrine to tell active and happy members where their interpretations and understandings are in error are so unaware of a very basic and well known piece of church history. The revelation is given to the weak and the weakest of the saints. It is council to help those with procilivities towards excess in these areas stay clear; a fence, if you will. It was given as a help to those who suffered from addiction. It was not a commandment until September 9, 1851, when, in Conference, it was made a commandment. Joseph Smith also drank tea, by the way, but since he never had a problem with it (he always abhorred drunkenness) he obviously did not feel he was controlled enough by it to need to follow the council. Today people council others to avoid cola drinks. It's not a commandment, but many feel such a fence will help them to avoid or overcome addiction, and BYU has obviously decided it will make it easier for people to live according to that fence. I've had cola drinks all my life and am not at all effected by some caffeine, so I don't feel it's a fence that I need to put up, but if it is one day added to the commandments I will live it. Piece of cake.


No the 1851 date did not make is a commandment at all. There were many that did not keep the WoW that entered the temple. BH Roberts had a drinking problem that he never overcaem. There is a great article somewhere I once read on the history of the WoW. Rollo, you seem to know where to find these details. Have you seen anymore on this?
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Jason Bourne wrote:
harmony wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:why did the Prophet Joseph Smith himself partake of alcohol?

Jersey Girl


He also owned a bar.


Wrong,

He wanted to open one but Emma stopped it.


Smart woman.
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harmony wrote:
Jason Bourne wrote:
harmony wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:why did the Prophet Joseph Smith himself partake of alcohol?

Jersey Girl


He also owned a bar.


Wrong,

He wanted to open one but Emma stopped it.


Smart woman.


Harmony

Thanks ...again...Emma was a smart woman at that...to bad she could not stop him from other things...
I chuckled again when I read your response...I would not even open a bar myself these days....to many things to worry about and not enough to gain
Emma was a smart woman.....I may consume alcohol but a bar would go broke counting on me for their profits....
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Jersey Girl wrote:why did the Prophet Joseph Smith himself partake of alcohol?

Jersey Girl


Basically because he wanted to. I wouldn't try to read anything more into it than that. There isn't any immaculate explanation. What Joseph Smith wanted to do, Joseph Smith did.
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asbestosman wrote:
Bryan Inks wrote:Then why is abstinence from alcohol a requirement to get into the temple and, ultimately, heaven?

I don't know. Why was circumcision once so important God was willing to kill Moses's son over it, but no longer so?


Umm, let me guess. Because this story is fiction?

It does make one wonder, however, what kind of bastard God would kill someone because he fails to snip off some of his penis?

The God of the Old Testament is a murderous, psychopathic bastard. If he were made flesh, he'd either be rotting in jail somewhere or be strapped to a gurney with a needle in his arm somewhere in Texas.

Yep, the God of the Old Testament, what a guy!
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maklelan wrote:And in that conference they made it a binding principle, or a commandment. You really want to split hairs about whether or not a binding principle is a commandment or not?


Like it or not that WoW was not binding on the saints, at least as far as going to the temple is concerned, till the 1920's. The 1951 deal was more like a call to committ to it and do better. Even after that Brigham Young owned a brewry.
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maklelan wrote:
Mister Scratch wrote:As to the question of whether it is "still in effect," I think it depends on how one interprets "doctrine" for one thing. Frankly, I don't know whether it is genuinely "in effect" anymore. Obviously, interracial sealings have taken place in temples throughout the world. But on what basis? When and how was the ban lifted? We don't know.

If the ban really is still in effect, then yes: I do think it should be "shouted from the rooftops" in order to agitate the powers that be to change it.

Would you mind posting a good reference for this ban?

Here is some additional information about the ban or the policy or whatever it was:

On July 17, 1947, the First Presidency wrote to Lowry Nelson that “the intermarriage of the Negro and White races, is a concept which has heretofore been most repugnant to most normal-minded people from the ancient patriarchs till now.” (Quinn, "Prelude to the National 'Defense of Marriage' Campaign," Dialogue 33:3, p. 31 (citing John J. Stewart, Mormonism and the Negro, p. 47 (1964)). Apparently this was the attitude of Harold B. Lee in 1960, when he told BYU President Ernest L. Wilkinson, “If a granddaughter of mine should ever go to BYU and become engaged to a colored boy there, I would hold you responsible.” (Prince, David O. McKay, p. 64); Lee made a similar complaint to Wilkinson in March 1965, when he “protested vigorously over our having given a scholarship at the B.Y.U. to a negro student from Africa.” (Quinn, Extensions of Power, p. 852). Even when the Church News announced the lifting of the priesthood ban on June 17, 1978, it made sure to include a brief article about the Church’s discouraging interracial marriage.
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