That Discussion thread that was started by Daniel C. Peterson on the MA&D Board titled, "LDS Suppression Of History," with the subtitle, "Balderdash" did get shut down by the Moderators over there. I will provide the last five Posts from that Discussion Thread. Here is a Post from the Moderator named 'Orpheus' over there:
QUOTE(gitxsanartist @ Jan 19 2007, 10:20 PM)
Somehow, you people think the whole polgamy thing is just a game. Have you considered all of the people that are being hurt by this practice in fundamentalist communities throughout the United States? Most of it is going on here in Utah or Colorado. Underage girls being forced into marriages with men as old as 60 years old... boys being sent packing because there are too many of them. Brainwashing, coercion, the list is long... and there is hardly anything funny about it.
All of this a stemming from a "revelation" given to Joseph Smith and pronounced the new and everlasting covenant of marriage, or more commonly called the "principle".
Just finished reading: Polygamy's Rape of Rachael Strong by John R. Llewellyn. You want a picture into the world of what polygamy is really like? I encourage anyone on this board to give it a read, pundits, apologetics, antis it doesn't matter, you will all learn something, I definately have.
Please Notice that gitxsanartist recommended over there that that Discussion Thread be closed down. However, before that Discussion thread is cloded down by the Moderators there are two more Messages that are Posted on that discussion Thread. The secodn last Mesage was Posted by a Poster named 'Severian' over there. Here is what he or she Posted over there:QUOTE(gitxsanartist @ Jan 20 2007, 10:31 AM)
Like I said, how do you prove it, and what constitutes proof in one mind can quickly be denied in another.
Ah, the power of apologetics.
Are you saying this is what Mormons support? Check this rule: http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... boardrulesQUOTE
- Any violation of Godwin's Law or similar laws (extreme comparisons or hyperbole), or lack of substance will result in the closing of a discussion.
Too much opinion and no documentation makes for long arguments. We know what you think, you haven't stopped saying it for 13 pages. If all you are getting is flack back then you can do two things, you can up the accusations or you can start backing up your accusations. Do the backing up.
Next is a Message Posted from the weird TBM named 'hammer' over there:
QUOTE(gitxsanartist @ Jan 19 2007, 11:20 PM)
Somehow, you people think the whole polgamy thing is just a game. Have you considered all of the people that are being hurt by this practice in fundamentalist communities throughout the United States? Most of it is going on here in Utah or Colorado. Underage girls being forced into marriages with men as old as 60 years old... boys being sent packing because there are too many of them. Brainwashing, coercion, the list is long... and there is hardly anything funny about it.
All of this a stemming from a "revelation" given to Joseph Smith and pronounced the new and everlasting covenant of marriage, or more commonly called the "principle".
Just finished reading: Polygamy's Rape of Rachael Strong by John R. Llewellyn. You want a picture into the world of what polygamy is really like? I encourage anyone on this board to give it a read, pundits, apologetics, antis it doesn't matter, you will all learn something, I definately have.
You have gone too far to the left on this thing and you conviently point back to Joseph Smith as the cause. Don't you see just how rediculous that is?
The Bible had polygamy and worse. People have been practicing some kind of polygamy since time immemorial. How puny can your perspective be to make the statment that Joseph Smith is where it all comes from?
You are focussing on what you perceive to be a 'bad' man' and you use everything you can to heap blame on him.
Their or many cultures on the planet today who practice a more dominating and demeaning form of polygamy.
Then you have men you just sleep with every woman they can find and don't even try to make the relationships about family.
Then you have men you rape and run. If you want to villafy the 'problemed' polygamous social and religious groups, be a little more comprehensive and fair about it.
The next Message was Posted by the Poster named 'gitxsanartist' over there:
QUOTE(Orpheus @ Jan 20 2007, 09:46 AM)
Are you saying this is what Mormons support? Check this rule: http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... boardrules
Too much opinion and no documentation makes for long arguments. We know what you think, you haven't stopped saying it for 13 pages. If all you are getting is flack back then you can do two things, you can up the accusations or you can start backing up your accusations. Do the backing up.
Yes, this thread is pretty much fruitless, to that I would agree.
Unfortunately, it is really hard to prove that suppression is happening and on the flip side it is also hard to prove that it doesn't happen. The bottom line is we don't have a nice little window into the inner workings of the church.
This thread was started to prove something I said as being wrong. Whether or not I am wrong I can confidently say that nothing on this has proven it one way or the other, at least not in my mind. I believe the claim "Does the LDS suppress its history" is still largely unanswered, and will remain so. Like I said, how do you prove it, and what constitutes proof in one mind can quickly be denied in another.
I recommend the thread be closed, it has run its course.
And guess who was the last Person to have Posted on that Discussion Thread? That is right, it was the LDS Apologist Daniel C. Peterson who did. Remember he gets special treatment over there. Here is what DCP Posted in his last Post of that thread over there:
QUOTE(gitxsanartist @ Jan 20 2007, 10:31 AM)
Unfortunately, it is really hard to prove that suppression is happening and on the flip side it is also hard to prove that it doesn't happen. . . . I can confidently say that nothing on this has proven it one way or the other, at least not in my mind. I believe the claim "Does the LDS suppress its history" is still largely unanswered, and will remain so. Like I said, how do you prove it, and what constitutes proof in one mind can quickly be denied in another.
As long as the existence of a huge and flourishing body of careful and honest Mormon historical scholarship is ignored, and as long as the works of highly competent and honest LDS historians remain unread, and as long as well-respected Mormon historians who declare that no systematic policy of suppression exists are dismissed as liars, the question will remain both open and, to some, puzzling, and many will maintain their faith that such scholarship doesn't exist and that such suppression is a horrifying reality.
When the evidence that would plainly settle a question is ignored, dismissed, or declared fraudulent, the evidence to settle the question won't be there. It's all rather mysterious, really.
Before any of the moderators would close down that Discussion thread over there, they had to make sure that Daniel C. Peterson got the last word on that Discussion thread. Once DCP got the last word on that discussion thread, the Moderators then closed the discussion thread upon the request of that other Poster over there. The Moderators on the MA&D Board love to give Daniel C. Peterson special treatment and special privileges over there. Her is the URL Address to the last Page of that Discussion thread over there: http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... 143&st=240