DCP Threatens to Flee the MADboard!
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Bonus Question: Have the moderation team ever required Juliann to apologize to posters she disparaged on FAIR/MAD. If your answer is no, then please tell me if you think the posters on the receiving end of Juliann (not talking about myself here because I have the capacity to give as good as I get) do not have feelings? Are their feelings more or less important than Daniel's?
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I'm not sure if MAD's rules have fundamentally changed since the FAIR days, but the FAIR mods openly stated they were going to ban FAIR posters for negative statements made on other boards.
I remember it specifically because I was astounded by the action for several reasons. The desire to control as well as the willingness to spend time not only moderating their OWN board, but lurking on other boards looking for infractions.
So, according to FAIR rules, they already have just cause to ban Tal due to his negative comments about DCP in specific and apologia in general. What are they waiting for? They look almost more silly this way, trying to build a case of all his grievous infractions when he's pretty much bent over backwards to be polite there. They got mad at him for creating threads to respond to someone who falsely claimed knowing him personally (I venture to guess they would let that "personal thread" rule slide if it had been an apologist who had been the target instead of a critic), and then chastised him for responding to charity's snide comment about his use of "like". They should just have the balls to ban him the way they are obviously going to, instead of conducting a "rigged" trial, so to speak.
I remember it specifically because I was astounded by the action for several reasons. The desire to control as well as the willingness to spend time not only moderating their OWN board, but lurking on other boards looking for infractions.
So, according to FAIR rules, they already have just cause to ban Tal due to his negative comments about DCP in specific and apologia in general. What are they waiting for? They look almost more silly this way, trying to build a case of all his grievous infractions when he's pretty much bent over backwards to be polite there. They got mad at him for creating threads to respond to someone who falsely claimed knowing him personally (I venture to guess they would let that "personal thread" rule slide if it had been an apologist who had been the target instead of a critic), and then chastised him for responding to charity's snide comment about his use of "like". They should just have the balls to ban him the way they are obviously going to, instead of conducting a "rigged" trial, so to speak.
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beastie wrote:I'm not sure if MAD's rules have fundamentally changed since the FAIR days, but the FAIR mods openly stated they were going to ban FAIR posters for negative statements made on other boards.
I remember it specifically because I was astounded by the action for several reasons. The desire to control as well as the willingness to spend time not only moderating their OWN board, but lurking on other boards looking for infractions.
So, according to FAIR rules, they already have just cause to ban Tal due to his negative comments about DCP in specific and apologia in general. What are they waiting for? They look almost more silly this way, trying to build a case of all his grievous infractions when he's pretty much bent over backwards to be polite there. They got mad at him for creating threads to respond to someone who falsely claimed knowing him personally (I venture to guess they would let that "personal thread" rule slide if it had been an apologist who had been the target instead of a critic), and then chastised him for responding to charity's snide comment about his use of "like". They should just have the balls to ban him the way they are obviously going to, instead of conducting a "rigged" trial, so to speak.
beastie,
Where to begin? You are exactly right when you assert that they'd spend time lurking on other boards to monitor the comments of others be they negative or positive. The day I realized I had a "friend", a well known poster and member of the "true" church talking to me and disrespectfully so through a sock puppet is where it came to a grinding halt for me. The reason that they are able to monitor the comments of someone like me (and others) is exactly because I (we) don't cover our online identities. I have never concealed my opinions about the LDS Church, theology, doctrines or even the FAIR board. That is to say, I am the same person you see represented here as I ever have been on any other board. There are a few posters on this board who have known me far longer than anyone from ZLMB or FAIR who would tell you that is so. I am just as likely to be critical, sarcastic, challenging, and have fun with a board at any given time as I am to lend an ear to someone who needs it.
FAIR/MAD looks to me as if it has developed into a reactive self justifying spinal chord. It's interesting to watch, though not to be taken seriously.
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Re: DCP Threatens to Flee the MADboard!
asbestosman wrote:What false accusations? I don't deny the possibility, I just don't know what you're talking about.
He claimed that I called him some names on RfM. I tried to deny this, and appealed to the mods (I could not protest publicly, as I had already been placed on the queue), but the mods sided with DCP and I was booted. You can read the thread over on the fittingly named MADboard, if you'd like. DCP originally apologized to me for making the false accusation, and then later retracted his apology after he saw a post I had written on RfM complaining about the unfairness of my banning.
He said he'd leave. That doesn't mean it's because Tal makes him upset (although I can't imagine Dr. Peterson is particularly fond of Tal). Another possible interpretation is that Dr. Peterson finds such things to be unenjoyable. There is a difference between something that is unenjoyable and something that makes one upset. I don't enjoy watching golf on TV, but it doesn't make me upset. If golf was all that was on TV I'd quit watching it (not that I watch much in the first place).
Another false analogy.
How so? My alternative interpretation may be incorrect and perhaps Dr. Peterson really is upset by Tal. However, I cannot safely conclude such a thing based on your quote as I believe what I gave is another plausible interpretation.
It's false in a number of ways. For one thing, the MADboard is not like a TV which only shows golf. It's not as if Tal is posting on every single thread on MAD, which your analogy would seem to suggest.
Where has Dr. Peterson called Tal the kind of names Tal has called him? Any other than Tal Tales?
He has said something disparaging about Bachman's musical career.
While I consider Dr. Peterson's remarks about his (Dr. Peterson's) musically inclined son's impression of Tal to have been irrelavent and perhaps a bit petty, I do not think it compares with calling Tal a "sociopath," a "loon," insane, "sub-average," a "fanatic," a "madman," an "idiot," a stupified intellectual coward, an "anti-realist," a "joke", or even something in the spirit of your "a lowballing trashtalker who deals in smear tactics".
Well then, I'm afraid we're going to have to agree to disagree, my friend.
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Re: DCP Threatens to Flee the MADboard!
wenglund wrote:Mister Scratch wrote:wenglund wrote:I sincerely hope the wound that drives your seemingly obsessive need to ridicule certain participants and moderators at MAD will one day heal--though I am quite confident that the method you have chosen for healing won't work, but will merely serve to deepen the wound or widen the scars. Thanks, -Wade Englund-
It's really more of a hobby than a "need." Moreover, I think there is a difference between "ridicule" and "criticism."
However you may wish to spin it, I still hope that you are able to heal the wound that seems to be driving your mean-spirited reactions and obsession with the good folks at MAD--though I have serious doubts about the workability of your chosen method for supposed healing.
What "wound"? That would imply that I was in some sort of pain. The truth is that I derive all sorts of pleasure out of my "mean spirited reactions." Mwahahaha!!
I have offerred to be of some help in that regard, but you apparently are not open-minded at this time to my interventions. So, I won't bother now to offer again, and will leave the door to my therapy sessions open for if/when you decided on your own to walk in.
Thank's, -Wade Englund-
Gee, thanks Wade. I'll always be here too, ready to give you a big cyber-hug once you're ready to finally admit that the Church has been dishonest.
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beastie wrote:I'm not sure if MAD's rules have fundamentally changed since the FAIR days, but the FAIR mods openly stated they were going to ban FAIR posters for negative statements made on other boards.
I remember it specifically because I was astounded by the action for several reasons. The desire to control as well as the willingness to spend time not only moderating their OWN board, but lurking on other boards looking for infractions.
So, according to FAIR rules, they already have just cause to ban Tal due to his negative comments about DCP in specific and apologia in general. What are they waiting for? They look almost more silly this way, trying to build a case of all his grievous infractions when he's pretty much bent over backwards to be polite there. They got mad at him for creating threads to respond to someone who falsely claimed knowing him personally (I venture to guess they would let that "personal thread" rule slide if it had been an apologist who had been the target instead of a critic), and then chastised him for responding to charity's snide comment about his use of "like". They should just have the balls to ban him the way they are obviously going to, instead of conducting a "rigged" trial, so to speak.
Yet these same Moderators have not gotten mad yet at the Poster named 'Freedom' there for Posting those false claims against Tal Bachman. Those false allegations are still up Page #4 of that Discussion Thread on the MA&D Board, without any of the Moderators there reprimanded him in that Post of his there. Here is again the URL to Page #4 of that Discussion Thread: that http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... 1045&st=60
Yet these same Moderators over there, get mad at Tal Bachman for responding to the false allegations that was made about him, from one of their MA&D Posters named, 'Freedom' over there. And we have the idiotic head Moderator over there, Chaos (Dan G.), gettting angry at Tal Bachman for defending himself against their TBM Posters there.
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Re: DCP Threatens to Flee the MADboard!
Mister Scratch wrote:asbestosman wrote:What false accusations? I don't deny the possibility, I just don't know what you're talking about.
He claimed that I called him some names on RfM. I tried to deny this, and appealed to the mods (I could not protest publicly, as I had already been placed on the queue), but the mods sided with DCP and I was booted. You can read the thread over on the fittingly named MADboard, if you'd like. DCP originally apologized to me for making the false accusation, and then later retracted his apology after he saw a post I had written on RfM complaining about the unfairness of my banning.
When I tried to follow that a while ago I became confused. I thought Dr. Peterson said there may have been another Mr. Scratch on Mormon discussion boards and therefore appologized when he thought that may not have been you. However when you complained on RfM, he may have thought that both were definately you. I guess he keeps some sort of archive.
He said he'd leave. That doesn't mean it's because Tal makes him upset (although I can't imagine Dr. Peterson is particularly fond of Tal). Another possible interpretation is that Dr. Peterson finds such things to be unenjoyable. There is a difference between something that is unenjoyable and something that makes one upset. I don't enjoy watching golf on TV, but it doesn't make me upset. If golf was all that was on TV I'd quit watching it (not that I watch much in the first place).
Another false analogy.
How so? My alternative interpretation may be incorrect and perhaps Dr. Peterson really is upset by Tal. However, I cannot safely conclude such a thing based on your quote as I believe what I gave is another plausible interpretation.
It's false in a number of ways. For one thing, the MADboard is not like a TV which only shows golf. It's not as if Tal is posting on every single thread on MAD, which your analogy would seem to suggest.
Ah, I see. No, I actually think it is apt because Dr. Peterson was potentially warning about the possibility of all (or many of us) turning into Tal shows. You know, us being more like what Tal is or rather Tal representing the future of the board.
But then again, I still admit the possibility that Dr. Peterson actually does become upset by Tal, but to what extent I do not know. His irrelavent comments on Tal's music career may be a hint in that direction. I don't know for sure.
Well then, I'm afraid we're going to have to agree to disagree, my friend.
No we don't! ;)
That's fine, I'll agree to disagree. As I said, my goal is not to defend him--at least not per se. He is much more capable of that than I am.
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Hi There,
Tal Bachman just got another warning from one of the Moderators on the MA&D Board. Here is what the Moderator named 'Argos' wrote to Tal Bachman over there:
Here is the URL to that Discussion Thread Page over there: http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... 045&st=340
Tal Bachman just got another warning from one of the Moderators on the MA&D Board. Here is what the Moderator named 'Argos' wrote to Tal Bachman over there:
Mr. Bachman:
Lose the condescension. It's not as cute as you seem to think it is.
-- Argos, Moderator
Here is the URL to that Discussion Thread Page over there: http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... 045&st=340
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Brackite wrote:Hi There,
Tal Bachman just got another warning from one of the Moderators on the MA&D Board. Here is what the Moderator named 'Argos' wrote to Tal Bachman over there:Mr. Bachman:
Lose the condescension. It's not as cute as you seem to think it is.
-- Argos, Moderator
Here is the URL to that Discussion Thread Page over there: http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... 045&st=340
Yeah,
It's just a matter of time now for good ol' Tal. The funny thing (I guess not so funny, more like standard operating procedure) is that Pahoran and Juliann are being the King (and Queen) of Condescension over there. Of course nothing is said to them.
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Bond...James Bond wrote:Brackite wrote:Hi There,
Tal Bachman just got another warning from one of the Moderators on the MA&D Board. Here is what the Moderator named 'Argos' wrote to Tal Bachman over there:Mr. Bachman:
Lose the condescension. It's not as cute as you seem to think it is.
-- Argos, Moderator
Here is the URL to that Discussion Thread Page over there: http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... 045&st=340
Yeah,
It's just a matter of time now for good ol' Tal. The funny thing (I guess not so funny, more like standard operating procedure) is that Pahoran and Juliann are being the King (and Queen of Condescension) over there. Of course nothing said to them.
I think of it as unethical irony.
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