September Dawn, a film about the Mountain Meadows Massacre is coming out in May. It will be interesting to see how they present the event. I wonder if the church will perform a pre-emptive PR strike. For more information:
http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=news&id=8599
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"And this massacre is going to be the subject of September Dawn. The indie film will set a love story against the tragedy, and is written and directed by Christopher Cain, who I'm told is Dean's dad. John Voight is playing the lead of the Mormon killer group, while Lolita Davidovich will play a wagon-trainer who stands up to him. The movie has started filming this week in Canada."
Dean Cain as Joseph Smith in a flashback. Interesting.
This whole thing was really screwed up. If they play the wagon trainers off as innocent, that will be a real crime. All three parties were guilty of something there.
It almost sounds like theyre going to make this move "the hills have eyes" in old west days. No doubt it wil be a hack job, hopefuly it will be a direct to video release that will quickly be forgotten.
Dean Cain as Joseph Smith in a flashback. Interesting.
This whole thing was really screwed up. If they play the wagon trainers off as innocent, that will be a real crime. All three parties were guilty of something there.
It almost sounds like theyre going to make this move "the hills have eyes" in old west days. No doubt it wil be a hack job, hopefuly it will be a direct to video release that will quickly be forgotten.
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. - Plato
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Gazelam wrote:Dean Cain as Joseph Smith in a flashback. Interesting.
Even more interesting (at least to me) is that John D. Lee will be played by none other than "Uncle Rico" from Napolean Dynamite. ;)
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."
-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
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Gazelam wrote:"And this massacre is going to be the subject of September Dawn. The indie film will set a love story against the tragedy, and is written and directed by Christopher Cain, who I'm told is Dean's dad. John Voight is playing the lead of the Mormon killer group, while Lolita Davidovich will play a wagon-trainer who stands up to him. The movie has started filming this week in Canada."
Dean Cain as Joseph Smith in a flashback. Interesting.
This whole thing was really screwed up. If they play the wagon trainers off as innocent, that will be a real crime. All three parties were guilty of something there.
It almost sounds like theyre going to make this move "the hills have eyes" in old west days. No doubt it wil be a hack job, hopefuly it will be a direct to video release that will quickly be forgotten.
While I suspect this movie won't be very good (it's been sitting around waiting for a distributor for a long time), I don't know how you could portray the wagon train as the guilty party, unless someone like Boyd K. Packer directs. Even if the initial ambush and shootout was fueled by emotions and passions, the Mormons eventually disarmed the wagon train, lined them up, and murdered them in cold blood. How is any film maker going to make the Wagon Trainers anything but victims? The MMM is not an easy thing for apologists to spin.
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Gazelam wrote: "If they play the wagon trainers off as innocent, that will be a real crime. All three parties were guilty of something there."
Exactly what were the members of the Fancher party guilty of? And how did it mean they deserved being murdered in cold blood?
Your statement is outrageous. These were good people who died gruesome deaths for no reason at all other than they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. They did nothing to deserve this. Nothing!
Jaynee
Exactly what were the members of the Fancher party guilty of? And how did it mean they deserved being murdered in cold blood?
Your statement is outrageous. These were good people who died gruesome deaths for no reason at all other than they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. They did nothing to deserve this. Nothing!
Jaynee
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Victims of the MMM
William Allen Aden, 19; George W. Baker, 27; Manerva A. Beller Baker, 25; Mary Levina, 7; Wards of George and Manerva Baker; Melissa Ann Beller, 14; David W. Beller, 12; John T. Baker, 52; Abel, 19; John Beach, 21; William Cameron, 51; Martha Cameron, 51; Tillman Cameron, 24; Isom Cameron, 18, Henry Cameron, 16; James Cameron, 14; Martha Cameron, 11; Larkin Cameron, 8; William Cameron's niece; Nancy Cameron, 12; Allen P. Deshazo, 20; Jesse Dunlap, Jr. 39p; Mary Wharton Dunblap, 39; Ellender Dunlap, 18; Nancy M. Dunlap, 16; James D. Dunlap, 14,; Luncinda Dunlap, 12; Susannah Dunlap, 12; Margerette Dunlap, 11; Mary Ann Dunlap, 9; Lorenzo Dow Dunlap, 42; Nancy Dunlap, 39; /Thomas J. Dunlap, 17; John H. Dunlap, 16; Mary Ann Dunlap, 13; Talitha Emaline Dunlap, 11; Nancy Dunlap, 9; America Jane Dunlap, 7; William M. Eaton; Silas Edwards; Alexander Fancher, 42; Eliza Ingrum Fancher, 32; Hampton Fancher, 19; William Fancher, 17; Mary Fancher, 15; Thoms Fancher, 14; Martha Fancher, 10; SaraG. Fancher, 8; Margaret A. Fancher, 8; James Mathew Fancher, 25; Frances "Fanny" Fulfer Fancher; Robert Fancher, 19; Saladia Ann Brown Huff; William Huff; Elisha Huff; John Milium Jones, 32; Eloah Angeline Tackitt Jones, 27; daughter; Newton Jones; Lawson A. McEntre, 21; Josiah (Joseph) Miller, 30; Matilda Cameron Miller, 27; James William, 9; Charles R. Mitchell, 25; Sarah C. Baker Mitchell, 21; John, infant; Joel D. Mitchell, 23; John Prewit, 20; William Prewit, 18; Milum L. Rush, 18; Charles Stallcup, 25; Cynthia Tackitt, 49; Marion Tackitt, 20; Sebron Tackitt, 18; Matilda Tackitt, 16; James M. Tackitt, 14; Jones M. Tackitt, 12; Pleasant Tackit, 25; Armilda Miller Tackitt, 22; Richard Wilson; Solomon R. Wood, 20; Willliam Wood, 26; Others unknown.
I visited the MMM site last November and was stunned as I read these names. These were good, decent people who did not deserve to die.
Perhaps seeing the indiividual names helps you see them as people, not as guilty parties who deserved what they got, or who were somehow responsible. Nothing they did made them deserving of being murdered in cold blood while their children looked on.
NOTHING.
Jaynee
I visited the MMM site last November and was stunned as I read these names. These were good, decent people who did not deserve to die.
Perhaps seeing the indiividual names helps you see them as people, not as guilty parties who deserved what they got, or who were somehow responsible. Nothing they did made them deserving of being murdered in cold blood while their children looked on.
NOTHING.
Jaynee
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Re: Victims of the MMM
Gazelam wrote:This whole thing was really screwed up. If they play the wagon trainers off as innocent, that will be a real crime. All three parties were guilty of something there.
jayneedoe wrote:William Allen Aden, 19; George W. Baker, 27; Manerva A. Beller Baker, 25; Mary Levina, 7; Wards of George and Manerva Baker; Melissa Ann Beller, 14; David W. Beller, 12; John T. Baker, 52; Abel, 19; John Beach, 21; William Cameron, 51; Martha Cameron, 51; Tillman Cameron, 24; Isom Cameron, 18, Henry Cameron, 16; James Cameron, 14; Martha Cameron, 11; Larkin Cameron, 8; William Cameron's niece; Nancy Cameron, 12; Allen P. Deshazo, 20; Jesse Dunlap, Jr. 39p; Mary Wharton Dunblap, 39; Ellender Dunlap, 18; Nancy M. Dunlap, 16; James D. Dunlap, 14,; Luncinda Dunlap, 12; Susannah Dunlap, 12; Margerette Dunlap, 11; Mary Ann Dunlap, 9; Lorenzo Dow Dunlap, 42; Nancy Dunlap, 39; /Thomas J. Dunlap, 17; John H. Dunlap, 16; Mary Ann Dunlap, 13; Talitha Emaline Dunlap, 11; Nancy Dunlap, 9; America Jane Dunlap, 7; William M. Eaton; Silas Edwards; Alexander Fancher, 42; Eliza Ingrum Fancher, 32; Hampton Fancher, 19; William Fancher, 17; Mary Fancher, 15; Thoms Fancher, 14; Martha Fancher, 10; SaraG. Fancher, 8; Margaret A. Fancher, 8; James Mathew Fancher, 25; Frances "Fanny" Fulfer Fancher; Robert Fancher, 19; Saladia Ann Brown Huff; William Huff; Elisha Huff; John Milium Jones, 32; Eloah Angeline Tackitt Jones, 27; daughter; Newton Jones; Lawson A. McEntre, 21; Josiah (Joseph) Miller, 30; Matilda Cameron Miller, 27; James William, 9; Charles R. Mitchell, 25; Sarah C. Baker Mitchell, 21; John, infant; Joel D. Mitchell, 23; John Prewit, 20; William Prewit, 18; Milum L. Rush, 18; Charles Stallcup, 25; Cynthia Tackitt, 49; Marion Tackitt, 20; Sebron Tackitt, 18; Matilda Tackitt, 16; James M. Tackitt, 14; Jones M. Tackitt, 12; Pleasant Tackit, 25; Armilda Miller Tackitt, 22; Richard Wilson; Solomon R. Wood, 20; Willliam Wood, 26; Others unknown.
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30 or so kids (at least).
Tell me Gaz, what were they guilty of?
"Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded."-charity 3/7/07
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These people in the wagon were not guilty of anything. I don't understand why the Church has been silent about this for so long. Why can't they admit that the people who did this were wrong?
I have heard different stories about whether or not Brigham Young was guilty of ordering the attack; some say he tried to stop it from happening, but couldn't get word in time.
Regardless.....the people who committed this autrocity were guilty of cold-blooded murder. Frankly, I'm glad I wasn't in their shoes when they went through the veil, because I'm sure the Lord's wrath was swift.
I have no sympathy or empathy with a killer of children. And I think it is in poor taste to make a movie out of it. That is not entertainment. It's like watching a car wreck on the side of the road.
I have heard different stories about whether or not Brigham Young was guilty of ordering the attack; some say he tried to stop it from happening, but couldn't get word in time.
Regardless.....the people who committed this autrocity were guilty of cold-blooded murder. Frankly, I'm glad I wasn't in their shoes when they went through the veil, because I'm sure the Lord's wrath was swift.
I have no sympathy or empathy with a killer of children. And I think it is in poor taste to make a movie out of it. That is not entertainment. It's like watching a car wreck on the side of the road.
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liz3564 wrote:These people in the wagon were not guilty of anything. I don't understand why the Church has been silent about this for so long. Why can't they admit that the people who did this were wrong?
I have heard different stories about whether or not Brigham Young was guilty of ordering the attack; some say he tried to stop it from happening, but couldn't get word in time.
Regardless.....the people who committed this autrocity were guilty of cold-blooded murder. Frankly, I'm glad I wasn't in their shoes when they went through the veil, because I'm sure the Lord's wrath was swift.
I have no sympathy or empathy with a killer of children. And I think it is in poor taste to make a movie out of it. That is not entertainment. It's like watching a car wreck on the side of the road.
I had a family member killed there. Oh my. That is disturbing.