MAD Juliann lies (via omission) through her pearly whites

[_Jersey Girl]

I was just viewing the MAD board and found an interesting thread started by dear Juliann entitled: "Quotes From The Other Side, what are the exmo message boards really saying?" In it she is copying selected excerpts of various posts from RFM and MDB. She posts an excerpt from Vega's in the Telestial Forum.

The Telestial thread can be found here:

http://mormondiscussions.com/discuss/viewtopic.php?t=646&start=0

Vegas begins the opening post with the following comments:

"I have a testimony that wade is a homosexual
(the following is PARODY and is not meant to be taken seriously)"

If you'd like to read the post in it's entirety you'll have to use the link to the Telestial Forum, because of it's content I will not post it here.

Juliann has this to say in describing the thread:


"And yet the responses were consistently along the lines that they understood what he was saying. And the post stands. The "lashing out" stuff is pretty lame, Idem. Why have a justice system if that is so understandable?"


First, Vegas clearly states that he's posting a parody.

Second, yes, many of the responding posters stated that they understood his meaning.

Third, yes, the post stands. Of course it stands. It stands in a forum designed for posts of that type of content.

Fourth, if Juliann were at all interested in accuracy, she would have included that the majority of posters who replied (even those who understood Vega's intent) also protested the delivery style of the post.

I'm left wondering what Juliann is really about here. She is posting carefully selected content from other boards and using that to represent the boards in question. Has Juliann visited the Celestial and Terrestrial threads on this board? Has she reviewed Vegas' substantive posts regarding church finances? Does Juliann think people are able to view this board and actually read the threads here?

Has Juliann become the National Enquirer of LDS related Boards?

You decide.

As for me, I describe that as a lie by omission and intended to deceive.

Next time, Juliann, try reporting with some element of accuracy and intellectual honesty. People can actually read the threads you're referencing. And good luck convincing your fellow/sister posters that your post actually means something. Such blinding brilliance!

Jersey Girl

[_Jersey Girl]

Just one more thing...

A poster named Severian posted this:

QUOTE(juliann @ Jan 27 2007, 03:08 PM)

And yet the responses were consistently along the lines that they understood what he was saying. And the post stands. The "lashing out" stuff is pretty lame, Idem. Why have a justice system if that is so understandable?

Severian:

I am uncertain of this. I search for this thread and found the very next post by Moksha to say:


QUOTE (moksha)
I always have a hard time remembering this difference between slander and libel, but I am certain the above post touched on one of them.


Severian:

so it doesn't seem that the responses were consistent.

Juliann replies as follows within the text of another post:

"And Severian, about the worst thing that porn post got was a joking reminder to keep it to "R" not "X" rated...by the board owner. The responses were consistent."

Really? Let's take one more look at the first quote at the top where you stated: "And yet the responses were consistently along the lines that they understood what he was saying. And the post stands. The "lashing out" stuff is pretty lame, Idem. Why have a justice system if that is so understandable?"


Deceive much? Did no one post in protest to the delivery style? How about these:

Moksha: I always have a hard time remembering this difference between slander and libel, but I am certain the above post touched on one of them.


Shades: Hi VegasRefugee,

Just a little reminder, but please keep the Telestial Forum Rated R, not Rated X.

Thanks in advance :-)


Runtu: I understand your point, but this is going too far for me.

Paul Osborne:
Don't you know that those who slander do it because they feel like it? And with that said, those who sue others do so because they felt like it. If you printed this kind of crap in the newspaper you'd probably get sued! Don't think that one can't track you down if they really wanted to. With money you can buy anything in this world and if someone really wanted to they could come after you and make your life very difficult. You could even find yourself in personal danger - both you and your loved ones.

So, don't trifle with sacred things for the sake of mocking another. I know it must be fun for you but this behavior is not warranted.

Roger Morrison: Hi Veg, i get the point you are trying to make. However i'm disappointed in the way you chose to make it. A creative thinker, as i thought you to be, would have some discretion, and more choice, when selecting their "parody" material?? Like maybe being polka-dot or something??

While you might not have intended to offend, it's very possible some of us who are Gay see your 'joke' as anything but funny. Whether in good-humour or not, to see a friend of mine the subject of such aspertions just does not sit well with me. A sincere apology from You might restore some credibility to yourself. Warm regards, Roger


Gazelam: If you had ever studied the gospel beyond the surface, this would not even be a question for you. Homosexuality is a breaking of the law of chastity. It is in direct opposition to the plan of salvation.

If you were even capable of receiving the influence of the Holy Ghost you would know this.

repent.

Miss Taken: Hi Vegas,

I get your point, but like others, didn't think it was a particularly good way of making it.
Gazelam's response is a bit extreme too. I'm sure not every active member of the church agrees with him.

It will be interesting to see where the church is in 20 years time on this issue, as well as on the issue of women
and the priesthood. I didn't think I'd ever see the time when there were female vicars, but now it's almost taken
for granted.

Polygamy and the race issue are two other examples of change that came when there was enough social pressure.

Mary

Ajax18: I understand that nobody is perfect, but Vegas I think you owe Wade an apology. I hope he doesn't believe the rest of us buy into this garbage.


Juliann, I'd like you to review the forum descriptions that correlate to Shades comments and then ponder the phrase "truth in accuracy". Thanks, sweetie.

Jersey Girl

[_moksha]

Hey, there is nothing like a good board dispute to keep things interesting on both sides. It would be nice if Juliann were to post over here and give us heck.

[_Jersey Girl]

Hey, there is nothing like a good board dispute to keep things interesting on both sides. It would be nice if Juliann were to post over here and give us heck.

Well moksha, I think Juliann (inspite of her posting on Shades previous board) wouldn't be caught dead posting here. She apparently (according to a post on the thread in question) limits herself to reading and using the search feature to find comments about FAIR, FARMS and various obscenities.

Participation is not okay.
Lurking and deceptive reporting is okay.

Got that?

Juliann is, of course, most welcome to post here if she wants to.

Jersey Girl

[_Mister Scratch]

So far as I can tell, juliann is just on a rant. She is boo-hooing about the criticism which has been aimed her way, and is venting. Thus, the fittingly named MADboard is becoming a "Recovery Board" for juliann. I love it when she puts up choice quotes such as this:

Rereading the thread you objected to on MDB, I see you ignored several posts that complained that the thread was over the top and offensive. Come to think of it, one of those posts was mine.

Here is how it works for most people. It is called voting with your feet. Don't spend your evenings in seedy bars and justify it by saying they serve water. Don't immerse yourself in porn and then sign petitions against it. The point is...stand behind what you do or don't do it. If those boards are worth posting on then stand up for them! But let's be honest about what we are justifying.

You mean justifying booting off critics you can't deal with? Censoring embarrassing posts when it's revealed that the scholars you've been citing view what you are doing as an infringement of academic integrity? Justifying all manner of spin and bloviation? What?

This is a good one, too:

Because we still have the RFM crowd who comes here and denies what is posted there for everyone to see. I'm tired of seeing that tired mantra on our board.

Reality check!

Really, she is in a tailspin here. What a classic! I guess that, at base, she is trying to insist that everyone know that there is R-rated material on RfM. To which I can only say: Duh!! Way to go, juliann, for stating the obvious!. Of course, this is hypocritical, as one of MAD's star posters announced in plain view of everyone that he is a "piss boy" of DCP. What rating, pray tell, would that get? What about DCP's gossipmongering? Or Pahoran's personal viciousness? Or Will Schryver's crap? Or Bokovy's and Hamblin's irresponsible "outing" of people?

[_Mister Scratch]

An interesting follow-up "analysis" from "Mordecai":

That's logical. Sinners hate their sins coming out in the open for everyone to see. I think that if they knew we knew the kind of crap they were posting, they would be more afraid to post. They'd know that they were confirming what many Mormons suspect of them, that many of them have fallen to a telestial state of being.

Huh. Well, by that logic, juliann is one of many "sinners" whose mistakes have been erased by the friendly moderating team at FAIR/MAD. Also, doesn't Mordecai know that the COB/SCMC *is* monitoring sites such as RfM and MAD? How naïve....

[_christopher]

Duh!! Way to go, juliann, for stating the obvious![/i]. Of course, this is hypocritical, as one of MAD's star posters announced in plain view of everyone that he is a "piss boy" of DCP. What rating, pray tell, would that get? What about DCP's gossipmongering? Or Pahoran's personal viciousness? Or Will Schryver's crap? Or Bokovy's and Hamblin's irresponsible "outing" of people?

And what stands out to me folks is that these are best the church has to offer. The product is so bad and so flawed that this collection of people with their body of writing well established, is all the defense that can be put forth. When thought through, that should put a smile on our faces.

Chris <><

[_Bond...James Bond]

Thread closed just when it was getting interesting.

Edit: Dang do those mods have to close every thread that gets interesting? Juliann if you're reading this you are more than welcome to bring the discussion here and blast away!!!

Bond

[_Brackite]

Here is the Message Posted by a Poster named 'Tsuzuki' over there in reponse to Juliann's Opening Post on that Discussion thread:

What is the point of this thread?

The URL Address to that Discussion Thread on the MA&D Board is: http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... opic=21422


Well here is an interesting Message Posted by Juliann on Page #4, of Discussion thread before it got closed down over there:

QUOTE(spinner @ Jan 27 2007, 08:24 PM)


So, thanks for creating an honest, objective discussion of the relative differences of these two boards in a manner that encourages scholarly discourse and mutual respect while avoiding that common trap of poisoning the well by cherry-picking the worst behavior of one's opponents to tarnish the entire group. These efforts are much appreciated.

Well, thank you! I'm not sure why you are confusing this with scholarship or mutual respect, however. It is obvious there is none coming from those message boards. by the way...do you have that charitable attitude towards everything? That is admirable...most people would walk away if a business behaved dishonestly even once...let alone every day. We need more people like you in this world.

Here is more for ya....I searched moderators on MDB so I can add to my hit count. The black helicopter/tin foil hat brigade is just a side show so just think of it as diversionary humor.

QUOTE
Mister Scratch
Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:56 am

Hmmm. Interesting guesses! Most intriguing. Regardless of our accuracy, I do know that we can safely say that our guessing about their identities drives them utterly batty.

This is supposed to be driving the mods batty, I guess...so let's really drive them batty by showing it here!

QUOTE
Liz
Wed Jan 24, 2007 10:21 am

Actually, it's Dan's [Dan G] form of entertainmnet. I think that's half the reason they decided to come up with Mod aliases.

He gets a chuckle when he reads over here and we guess wrong.

It's a rather pathetic form of entertainment, but whatever floats your boat.

The irony? On the old FAIRboard, there was a thread only open to Mods where talk of the goings-on at Shades was like a feeding frenzy. LOL

They complain openly on MAD about Shade's board being a "sty", and about us always talking about their board, but the supposed "leaders" doing the most complaining do the same thing. (OK....they DID do the same thing when I was in that circle. Who knows...maybe they have reformed. However, I rather doubt it. LOL)

What really gave us a chuckle was Liz offering to infiltrate Shade's board after she begged to be made a mod. Yes, I saved those mod posts from her in those feeding frenzy mod threads...especially the responses she got telling her no one was interested in that board. Not much former mods can do to me now. PM me for the real deal.

Liz Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:53 am guesses:

QUOTE
What the hey...Here are my educated guesses:

Orpheus: Dan G
Chaos: Alan Wyatt
Argos: Jan
Skylla: Calmoriah

Jullian has the ability to sock puppet any of these. I also noticed another new Mod added to the list. I can't remember the name at the moment.

I also think that Scratch has a point. Dan may occasionally sock puppet as Chaos as well.

I don't think that Scott is taking an active role in moderating. I could be wrong, though.

Who Knows, Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:43 a very close friend of Liz's, guesses,

QUOTE
My guesses:

Orpheus: Damn_G
Chaos: Juliann
Argos: Jan
Skylla: Calmoriah

Mister Scratch, Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:38 am

QUOTE
Chaos: Dan_G
Orpheus: Scott Lloyd
Argos: Jan
Skylla: ???? Maybe Nighthawke?

Also, I suspect that there may be some "hopping" of mod identities taking place---I once saw Orpheus completely de-evolve and begin writing in a dismal, 5th-grade level writing style, which leads me to think that Dan_G flip-flops his ID.

Now, as you can plainly see, I deserve more hits than Pahoran...I have many more screennames that I should be given credit for.














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"I will now share the valuable information I have on a forum less totalitarian than yours."
~ Kevin Graham, Jan 02, 2007

The URL Address to Page #4 of that Discussion Thread on the MA&D Board is: http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... 1422&st=60

[_The Dude]

Thread closed just when it was getting interesting.

Yes, it was getting to be an interesting example of one person's antisocial posting habits.