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GIMR wrote:
Runtu wrote:Thanks. You too. What really sucks is that this is my normal day off (I work 4 days, 10 hours a day), and here I am in bed.


Aww, that sucks. You a football fan? SuperBowl Sunday this weekend...get better before then...

I have a barrage of doctors appointments over the next two months...I hope all these tests amount to nada. It was so funny, I went to get my physical yesterday, and the doc went to draw blood, and usually it hurts, but this time I felt nothing, so like a fool, I looked. Well, the doc had a bad collection tube, and it wouldn't draw blood. Combine that with not having eaten yet, and I almost fainted! I don't usually faint! Well, I did once in ROTC, but I was legitimately sick. And then there was the time one of my annoying aunts was yelling at me, and I just didn't feel like listening to her. Apparently fainting was a good way out...

But man, I felt like a punk...


Yikes, Runtu and GIMR! Sorry you guys are sick, too! Runtu, I know how you feel. Friday is my normal day off, too. My teaching schedule at the college is Monday through Thursday. What sucks is that because of weather issues, I have to schedule three make-up days which will end up being on Fridays, so my last Friday off for the term, I'm sick.

OK...enough bitching and moaning...LOL I'm off to try to get my 3 year old to take a nap so I can go back to bed. LOL
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liz3564 wrote:This sounds like a solid approach, Wade. One additional suggestion I would make is that in addition to including LDS Family Services, I would also include a link recommending competent psychologists in various states. Maybe Harmony or Truth Dancer would have that type of information handy. I'll look for a link myself when I'm feeling better.

The reason I suggest this is that if you're dealing with former members of the Church, some of them may not be too keen on LDS Family Services. It is a good organization, but I have also read accounts on RfM of people having had problems with them, which was part of the reason for the sourness with the Church. Just a thought. :)


That is an excellent thought. I will start researching it as well.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-
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Post by _Mister Scratch »

Hey there, Wade---I had some revision advice.

wenglund wrote:
moksha wrote:So Wade, do you have a preliminary plan for creating this listening post? How about a mission statement?


Hi Moksha,

Rather than creating a mission statement, I though I would craft a brief description of what the site is about, and include it as a part of the home page header (just under the site name). Here is what I have thought of so far:

"A self-help discussion board for LDS and former members to internally heal, repair and improve relationships, and become their best selves."

What do you think?


I think that's an inaccurate description of what you're trying to do. It should say something more like, "A discussion board to get "recovering" Mormons to shut up and quit whining, and to admit that the Church is always right, only the members are wrong."

Besides the Guiding Principles and the Step-by-Step Process that I posted earlier in the thread, I also intend to include a notice in the header that will go something like:

"Notice: If you are suicidal, please call the Suicide HOTLINE. And, if your personal and relationship issues are significant enough to require a licenced professional, please contact LDS Family Services.

Additionally, I hope to include pages that explain Cognitive Behavior Therapy and Choice Theory and how each can be used in self-help ways. Also, as previously mentioned, I intend to have a resource page that the participants may be involved inp compiling and providing reviews and endorsments.


My offer to volunteer my services still stands.

If things go as hoped, I will at some point include an Events Page (get togethers, conventions, etc.) as well as a Testimonial Page (for people to post their successes).

Can you or anyone else think what else may be useful?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-


Not at the moment.
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Mister Scratch wrote:Hey there, Wade---I had some revision advice.

wenglund wrote:
moksha wrote:So Wade, do you have a preliminary plan for creating this listening post? How about a mission statement?


Hi Moksha,

Rather than creating a mission statement, I though I would craft a brief description of what the site is about, and include it as a part of the home page header (just under the site name). Here is what I have thought of so far:

"A self-help discussion board for LDS and former members to internally heal, repair and improve relationships, and become their best selves."

What do you think?


I think that's an inaccurate description of what you're trying to do. It should say something more like, "A discussion board to get "recovering" Mormons to shut up and quit whining, and to admit that the Church is always right, only the members are wrong....


Hi Scratch,

I recognize that this is really about you desparately needing some attention, and your willingness to go to whatever lenghts in order to get it. So, please know that you have been noticed by me and that you are loved. Please also know that there are productive ways of meeting your human need for mutual love, value, and respect, which I hope to make available on my proposed site.

In the interim, though, perhaps you and Plutarch can help each other feel wanted and needed by interacting with each other. And, if need be, I am fine with the two of you getting together on the common ground of thinking me an "idiot" (perhaps you could even start a thread to that effect).

Thanks, -Wade Englund-
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Liz, GIMR and Runtu, perhaps you have contracted one of those nasty viruses from the internet. Eat plenty of chocolate. That always helps.
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Hi Scratch,

I recognize that this is really about you desparately needing some attention, and your willingness to go to whatever lenghts in order to get it. So, please know that you have been noticed by me and that you are loved. Please also know that there are productive ways of meeting your human need for mutual love, value, and respect, which I hope to make available on my proposed site.

In the interim, though, perhaps you and Plutarch can help each other feel wanted and needed by interacting with each other. And, if need be, I am fine with the two of you getting together on the common ground of thinking me an "idiot" (perhaps you could even start a thread to that effect).

Thanks, -Wade Englund-



Wade, the above is exactly what people are talking about with regards to feeling a bit queasy about your idea.
Each one has to find his peace from within. And peace to be real must be unaffected by outside circumstances. -Ghandi
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wenglund wrote:
GIMR wrote:One danger point, however. DO NOT set time periods on people's healing. I say this, because some people heal faster and some slower than others, and for those who don't see the "results" in the time period set, that may have disasterous consequences. I think guarantees past personal peace of mind are too much. You see, we live in a world where the only control we have is over what WE do. That must be emphasized.


I hear what you are saying. However, I think it important to understand that the time periods are not intended to be gaurantees, but rather reasonable GOALS that are set by the individual for themself (with some assistance from the facilitator). This is actually standard practice among Cognitive Behavioral Therapists. The rationale in doing it is at least two fold: 1) it is hope-inducing (it lets the participant know that there is an end to the tunnel, and that the end is not way off in some unforeseeable future), and 2) it gives them a target to shoot for.

It may surprise you how quickly people's lives and relationship can improve given the right interventions--this is particularly true for the kinds of low-level personal and relationship issue the site will be addressing.

However, I think it wise to post notice with step 5 that the time-frame is not a gaurantee, but a goal to strive towards; that the acheivement of the goal is dependant upon personal effort; that failure to achieve the goal is okay; and that revising the goal is also okay.

It'll take me some time, but if you like I can compile the list of stuff I have worked with.


That would be greatly appreciated. And, if it is of any help, you don't need to compile an exhaustive list, just some of the more helpful items.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-


Hey Wade,

I still feel a bit iffy about the time period thing, but if you are willing to place time periods on certain goals like, for instance, having a time set apart each week for an old hobby I enjoy, or getting up the courage to have a talk with my spouse, then these things I can understand. I guess I don't understand what you are putting a time constraint on exactly.

My situation took a long time. I suffered with depression for 20 years. My situation is called dysthymia, a long, mild depression which can turn into major depression at intervals. There was never a point for me personally where I thought I would be in a certain place guaranteed by a certain time. I have been disappointed too many times for that.

Each new year and each birthday, I take stock of my life. And there are a few things that haven't changed. For a long time I chose to be upset about those things instead of looking at the goals I had met. There is one last thing I'm hoping to do on the major change front, and that is gain the financial independence to move out of my mom's house. I've been trying for years, and each time I moved in the past it was not successful.

If I had used a time guarantee on this situation before, I would have been elated when I did move (which I did three times), devestated when I had to move back (which I was each time, especially when my father died). Now, I don't focus on time constraints. It'll happen. My goal is my own place by my next birthday, about six months away. I have plans in place, steps I'm taking. But if all else fails, I have the money to get a roomate. Good enough.

I'll compile my list of stuff this weekend. Mind you, some of this is kind of unorthodox (I once took a look at some "angel affirmation cards" *grin*), but who knows what will work for whom.
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wenglund wrote:
Mister Scratch wrote:Hey there, Wade---I had some revision advice.

wenglund wrote:
moksha wrote:So Wade, do you have a preliminary plan for creating this listening post? How about a mission statement?


Hi Moksha,

Rather than creating a mission statement, I though I would craft a brief description of what the site is about, and include it as a part of the home page header (just under the site name). Here is what I have thought of so far:

"A self-help discussion board for LDS and former members to internally heal, repair and improve relationships, and become their best selves."

What do you think?


I think that's an inaccurate description of what you're trying to do. It should say something more like, "A discussion board to get "recovering" Mormons to shut up and quit whining, and to admit that the Church is always right, only the members are wrong....


Hi Scratch,

I recognize that this is really about you desparately needing some attention, and your willingness to go to whatever lenghts in order to get it.


No, that's not it, Wade. I really, truly just think that you need to be totally frank about what your website is up to. How, for example, to you propose to "internally heal, repair" loyal, TBM LDS? You don't, do you? See, what I think is that you think TBMs can do no wrong. This really has nothing to do with TBMs, or the Church. This is really your own personal battering ram with which to attack disaffected members, and ex-mos.

So, please know that you have been noticed by me and that you are loved. Please also know that there are productive ways of meeting your human need for mutual love, value, and respect, which I hope to make available on my proposed site.


As much as I enjoy being condescended to by you, my darling Wade, I sincerely doubt that "mutual love, value, and respect" will be any part of your new site.

In the interim, though, perhaps you and Plutarch can help each other feel wanted and needed by interacting with each other. And, if need be, I am fine with the two of you getting together on the common ground of thinking me an "idiot" (perhaps you could even start a thread to that effect).

Thanks, -Wade Englund-


Unlike you, I don't start threads personally attacking other MDB posters.

Anyways, here's a key question I think you should address before you go any further: What is wrong with TBMs, and what problems of theirs do you aim to correct?
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Hey, I've been sick, too. This gives a whole new meaning to "computer virus".

(or did someone already make that joke and I was too lazy to read it?)
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