anyone can say anything on the internet against the church, that doesn't mean its true. you can find stuff showing that thye earth is flat.(i argued scientific review standards, she didn't care) And just because you got it out of a book or from a scientist doesn't mean they properly understand it. Its from god, and god knows everything. So you have to follow it all on faith when there is no evidence. I don't care what they have found or what you say. I know what we (Mormons) believe. All this stuff you are saying about Adam/god or the changes to the Book of Mormon arent taught, so i know they arent true. There is only 1 Book of Mormon. I don't know anything about that whole thing about that hill of cummorah stuff, steel weapons/armor, horses, dna, but even without evidence doesn't mean its not true! And about the DNA stuff, ever heard of people migrating.(i couldn't convince her that we could track that too) You are just taking this all out of context. God ordered Joseph Smith to begin polygamy, and then to bring it back. So i don't question it. You should read the Book of Mormon with an open mind, you might learn something.etc etc etc(emphasis addded, parenthesis me)
man.....it was like pounding sand. Anything i said that was contradictory was dissmarrily dismissed as junk. Though i think i convinced her to read the journal of discourses. She didn't believe any of the quotes i pulled from there about blood atonement or the adam/god doctrine.
One nice thing is, ze game of love is never called on account of darkness - Pepe Le Pew
Oh yeah, i also brought up the US census buro(sp?) on Mormon retention rates being around 20-30% after 1 year. Since i offered to bring up the official government website, they use the "you can find anything on the internet" argument. even though i pointed out that the government has nothing to gain or loose from that information.
Nor would she believe me that there have been at least 4 offshoots of Mormonism that survive today. She laughed at me, even as i named them. sad....sad...sad...brainwashed young woman....
One nice thing is, ze game of love is never called on account of darkness - Pepe Le Pew
Sono_hito wrote:Oh yeah, i also brought up the US census buro(sp?) on Mormon retention rates being around 20-30% after 1 year. Since i offered to bring up the official government website, they use the "you can find anything on the internet" argument. even though i pointed out that the government has nothing to gain or loose from that information.
Nor would she believe me that there have been at least 4 offshoots of Mormonism that survive today. She laughed at me, even as i named them. sad....sad...sad...brainwashed young woman....
I'm less concerned about people believing in Mormonism than I am about people being so incredibly closed-minded as to not even want to discuss the evidence. To me, that is frightening. At least you've opened her up to the possibility of differing perspectives, which she may not even have acknowledged before talking to you.
It seems to be a human trait to criticize, chide, and ridicule others about things we tend to dislike most about ourselves.
I don't know that it is a very functional human trait, but I suspect that we do it because there is at least some pay-off (be it a false sense of superiority, or a convenient way of directing attention away from our own vulnerabilities and perceived flaws, etc.)
Imagine how better off we all would be were our efforts (particularly those of a public nature) were focused more on promoting mutual love, value, and respect, rather than criticism, chiding, and ridicule.
wenglund wrote:It seems to be a human trait to criticize, chide, and ridicule others about things we tend to dislike most about ourselves.
I don't know that it is a very functional human trait, but I suspect that we do it because there is at least some pay-off (be it a false sense of superiority, or a convenient way of directing attention away from our own vulnerabilities and perceived flaws, etc.)
Imagine how better off we all would be were our efforts (particularly those of a public nature) were focused more on promoting mutual love, value, and respect, rather than criticism, chiding, and ridicule.
All this stuff you are saying about Adam/god or the changes to the Book of Mormon aren't taught, so i know they aren't true.
This is the line that just blows me away and causes people use the label of cult. No need for further discussion with this type of person at this time.
They could say "I know about all of that stuff, and still think the church is true."
"Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded."-charity 3/7/07
My personal theory is that in order to be true it must be applicable across the board (board = reality). For Wade's comments to equate to our being hypocritical, it must also equate that he is a bigot.
My personal theory is that in order to be true it must be applicable across the board (board = reality). For Wade's comments to equate to our being hypocritical, it must also equate that he is a bigot.