BKP's latest rant: Evils of TV and Teased Hair ....

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Coggins7 wrote:
Loran, I know at Salt Lake Community College, the students in Cosmetology spend a considerable amount of time teasing the hair of their practice dummies (no, not me - I mean the artificial ones) in preparation for teasing the hair of their women customers. Should the LDS students refuse to participate on the grounds that it violates their newly defined religious principles?


The answer is no. As I heard Packer's talk, the counsel was for Latter Day Saints, not those of the great and spacious building. And, as Packer's counsel had no particular moral meaning, in and of itself, nothing precludes Mormon hair stylists from teasing the hair of others, just as nothing prevents Mormon restaruant or hotel owners from serving liquor. Just as alcohol is not in and of itself evil, neither is teased hair, and this was not Packer's meaning. Teased hair, overuse of body ornimentation, such as earrings, jewlry, tattoos, body piercing, to different degrees, are an integral part of the culture of "the world" represented by the great and spacious building, and the Saints don't need to be imitating Babylon, even in small things, because imitation, in time, very often leads to integration.

Gospel teachings try to avoid sin at the periphery so that it need not be dealty with later at the center, or core.


This seems a wrong-headed interpretation, in my view. I think it is more accurate to say (as has been echoed by countless of the Brethren) that heeding this seemingly silly advice is really more a badge of loyalty and obedience. Wearing only one pair of earrings and not teasing one's hair is, in effect, a means of saying, "Yes, I will obey. I will do what you say, Elder Packer."
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Runtu wrote:
Coggins7 wrote:
The answer is no. As I heard Packer's talk, the counsel was for Latter Day Saints, not those of the great and spacious building. And, as Packer's counsel had no particular moral meaning, in and of itself, nothing precludes Mormon hair stylists from teasing the hair of others, just as nothing prevents Mormon restaruant or hotel owners from serving liquor. Just as alcohol is not in and of itself evil, neither is teased hair, and this was not Packer's meaning. Teased hair, overuse of body ornimentation, such as earrings, jewlry, tattoos, body piercing, to different degrees, are an integral part of the culture of "the world" represented by the great and spacious building, and the Saints don't need to be imitating Babylon, even in small things, because imitation, in time, very often leads to integration.

Gospel teachings try to avoid sin at the periphery so that it need not be dealty with later at the center, or core.


I guess I'm still puzzled as to why teased hair is more worldly than other hair and how that relates to the periphery of sin.


The same way that drinking a non-caffeneited cola is on the periphery of sin. It is a proven fact that if one drinks non-caffeneited colas, it is only a matter of time before he drinks caffeneited cola, and once this happens, it is only a matter of time before he drinks coffee and tea, and once this happens, it is only a matter of time before he masturbates, and once this happens, it is only a matter of time before he commits adultery, homosexuality, or beastiality, and once this happens, it is only a matter of time before he rapes and kills.

So, silly, decaffeited cola = raping and killing.

Using similar process of sound, logical reasoning, everyone knows that teased hair=prostitution.
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This seems a wrong-headed interpretation, in my view. I think it is more accurate to say (as has been echoed by countless of the Brethren) that heeding this seemingly silly advice is really more a badge of loyalty and obedience. Wearing only one pair of earrings and not teasing one's hair is, in effect, a means of saying, "Yes, I will obey. I will do what you say, Elder Packer."


I'm sure this does seem wrong headed to one of your intellectual leanings and psycholgical biases. To a leftist for whom rigorous ideological purity obviates all other considerations, whether those of stark fact or a sincere attempt to understand the theology or philosophy of others when interpretations are called for, anything appears wrongheaded that does not substantiate the preconceived conclusions that have already been reached before any discussion has commenced.


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Coggins7 wrote:
This seems a wrong-headed interpretation, in my view. I think it is more accurate to say (as has been echoed by countless of the Brethren) that heeding this seemingly silly advice is really more a badge of loyalty and obedience. Wearing only one pair of earrings and not teasing one's hair is, in effect, a means of saying, "Yes, I will obey. I will do what you say, Elder Packer."


I'm sure this does seem wrong headed to one of your intellectual leanings and psycholgical biases. To a leftist for whom rigorous ideological purity obviates all other considerations, whether those of stark fact or a sincere attempt to understand the theology or philosophy of others when interpretations are called for, anything appears wrongheaded that does not substantiate the preconceived conclusions that have already been reached before any discussion has commenced.


Loran


54. Work harder, Loran.
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Work harder, Loran.



I think its time to go back to the lab and have your bolts tightened Harmony. Then you can make a second try at university and this time, actually try and get an education, in the substantive sense of the term.
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Coggins7 wrote:
Work harder, Loran.



I think its time to go back to the lab and have your bolts tightened Harmony. Then you can make a second try at university and this time, actually try and get an education, in the substantive sense of the term.


Tsk tsk. Poor Loran. Your envy is showing.
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Coggins7 wrote:
This seems a wrong-headed interpretation, in my view. I think it is more accurate to say (as has been echoed by countless of the Brethren) that heeding this seemingly silly advice is really more a badge of loyalty and obedience. Wearing only one pair of earrings and not teasing one's hair is, in effect, a means of saying, "Yes, I will obey. I will do what you say, Elder Packer."


I'm sure this does seem wrong headed to one of your intellectual leanings and psycholgical biases. To a leftist for whom rigorous ideological purity obviates all other considerations, whether those of stark fact or a sincere attempt to understand the theology or philosophy of others when interpretations are called for, anything appears wrongheaded that does not substantiate the preconceived conclusions that have already been reached before any discussion has commenced.


Loran


Ah, an ad hominem attack. Well done, Loran! Or do you actually have a counterargument?
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Who Knows wrote:
Runtu wrote:I know my wife said that the new top for women is just a tank top, without the "support" seams.


A tank top? Really? I haven't heard that either. Can women bare their shoulders now?


Oh my, I can feel a quickening of the pulse!
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The same way that drinking a non-caffeneited cola is on the periphery of sin. It is a proven fact that if one drinks non-caffeneited colas, it is only a matter of time before he drinks caffeneited cola, and once this happens, it is only a matter of time before he drinks coffee and tea, and once this happens, it is only a matter of time before he masturbates, and once this happens, it is only a matter of time before he commits adultery, homosexuality, or beastiality, and once this happens, it is only a matter of time before he rapes and kills.

So, silly, decaffeited cola = raping and killing.

Using similar process of sound, logical reasoning, everyone knows that teased hair=prostitution.


No, teased hair doen't equal prostitution, but I'm beginning to suspect that serious, committed ant-Mormonism equals Down's Syndrome.

You don't understand the counsel against caffinated soda (which isn't a commandment, as is the Word of Wisdom), so don't pontificate about it. The slippery slope argument you imply exists within the doctrines of the church regarding personal behavior don't, and the sheer hysterical extremity of your implication indicates that you don't really believe it does either.

Try something serous here for a change on this thread.
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Coggins7 wrote:
The same way that drinking a non-caffeneited cola is on the periphery of sin. It is a proven fact that if one drinks non-caffeneited colas, it is only a matter of time before he drinks caffeneited cola, and once this happens, it is only a matter of time before he drinks coffee and tea, and once this happens, it is only a matter of time before he masturbates, and once this happens, it is only a matter of time before he commits adultery, homosexuality, or beastiality, and once this happens, it is only a matter of time before he rapes and kills.

So, silly, decaffeited cola = raping and killing.

Using similar process of sound, logical reasoning, everyone knows that teased hair=prostitution.


No, teased hair doen't equal prostitution, but I'm beginning to suspect that serious, committed ant-Mormonism equals Down's Syndrome.


Back off on the Down's Syndrome. You're compounding your sins, Loran. They're starting to pile up and rot, and the stink is almost overwhelming.
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