Well, so far they've gotten away with contradicting prophetic utterance with impunity.
Their attitude is pretty well summarized by a conversation I had with my apologist wanna-be brother. When he was trying to push the LGT on me, I pointed out that LGT contradicts over a century of statements and proclamations by Prophets and Apostles, he simpy said, "They're wrong."
Jason Bourne wrote:I have explained this to you in another thread and reiterrated some in a post to Vegas a minute or two ago.
Largely I agree with you on the points you make. But it does have relevance in many ways as noted.
How does it have relevance? You have not cited ANY differences between Mormon influence and, oh, lets say (again) Jehovahs witnesses.
The word you need to learn is MARGINALIZATION.
One of the strongest tools I used to get a clearer picture of what the LDS church is was when I stepped back and examined just what a tiny blip mormonsm really is.
And crawling on the planet's face Some insects called the human race Lost in time And lost in space...and meaning
Well, so far they've gotten away with contradicting prophetic utterance with impunity.
Their attitude is pretty well summarized by a conversation I had with my apologist wanna-be brother. When he was trying to push the LGT on me, I pointed out that LGT contradicts over a century of statements and proclamations by Prophets and Apostles, he simpy said, "They're wrong."
Do you have other examples besieds the LGT?
A few off the top of my head--I am pressed for time and don't have much time to reflect on the question.
Origin of Native Americans
Global Flood
Origin of PofGP (Joseph Smith himself said he translated the papyrus)
I'm sure others can chime in.
By the way, how many are necessary? I, or someone else, could conceivable get excommunicated for openly repudiating any one of a number of teachings/doctrines.
God . . . "who mouths morals to other people and has none himself; who frowns upon crimes, yet commits them all; who created man without invitation, . . . and finally, with altogether divine obtuseness, invites this poor, abused slave to worship him ..."
Well, so far they've gotten away with contradicting prophetic utterance with impunity.
Their attitude is pretty well summarized by a conversation I had with my apologist wanna-be brother. When he was trying to push the LGT on me, I pointed out that LGT contradicts over a century of statements and proclamations by Prophets and Apostles, he simpy said, "They're wrong."
Do you have other examples besieds the LGT?
Yes. Here's a list from my website on Internet Mormons vs. Chapel Mormons. As you read this, keep in mind that the prophets are always Chapel Mormons whereas the apologists are almost always Internet Mormons:
Chapel Mormons will typically try and bend the facts to fit the prophets, while Internet Mormons are far more comfortable bending the prophets to fit the facts.
When the apologists contradict the prophets, Internet Mormons almost always go with the apologists, while Chapel Mormons almost always go with the prophets.
Internet Mormons believe that the words "Lamanite" and "Native American" refer to two entirely separate cultural and linguistic groups. Chapel Mormons believe that the words "Lamanite" and "Native American" are interchangeable.
Internet Mormons believe that Noah's flood was a localized event, covering only a certain area. Chapel Mormons usually believe that Noah's flood was a global event, covering the entire world.
Internet Mormons believe the Lehite colony landed in a New World filled with Asiatic inhabitants. Chapel Mormons believe the Lehite colony landed in a New World devoid of inhabitants save, perhaps, for at least one remaining Jaredite.
When discussing prophetic utterances, Internet Mormons often say "it was only his opinion." Chapel Mormons almost never say "it was only his opinion," believing that a prophet's words and God's words are essentially one and the same.
Internet Mormons believe that FARMS is correct and that the Hill Cumorah was located somewhere in Mesoamerica. Chapel Mormons believe that Joseph Smith was correct and that the Hill Cumorah was located in Western New York and was the same hill from which he retrieved the Golden Plates.
Internet Mormons believe that the only real and binding doctrine in Mormonism is that found between the covers of the four Standard Works--all else is mere conjecture. Chapel Mormons believe that real and binding doctrine is that which is accepted and believed by the majority of the Saints (in practice, this means that they accept the overwhelming majority of what they learn in church and in the church's official publications in addition to the four Standard Works).
Internet Mormons tend to want to "filter" a prophet's words through both his likely cultural influences and his limited sphere of knowledge. Chapel Mormons tend to take a prophet's words at face value.
Internet Mormons believe that the scriptures supersede the living prophets. Chapel Mormons believe that the living prophets supersede the scriptures.
Internet Mormons believe that a prophet's words may not apply to at least some of the people he's addressing. Chapel Mormons tend to believe that a prophet's words apply to everyone he's addressing.
Chapel Mormons believe that a prophet is a foreordained man of the highest moral caliber. Internet Mormons believe that a prophet is not necessarily any better than his societal average.
Related to that last bullet point, see the quote from Beastie in my signature line, below.
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"