THE POSSIBILITY THAT BRIGHAM YOUNG WAS CORRECT

Post by **_Gazelam** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:11 am

On this matter he was wrong. To my knowledge he was right about everything else he taught. The Holy Ghost testifies on these things, and we have had a living Prophet speak out regarding the issue.

I have no ill feelings towards Brigham Young, he just got this thing wrong. It is a minor blemish on an otherwise amazing man.

Post by **_Runtu** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:13 am

Gazelam wrote:On this matter he was wrong. To my knowledge he was right about everything else he taught. The Holy Ghost testifies on these things, and we have had a living Prophet speak out regarding the issue.

I have no ill feelings towards Brigham Young, he just got this thing wrong. It is a minor blemish on an otherwise amazing man.

Was he right about the curse on the seed of Cain? How about blood atonement?

So, in essence you're saying that as long as you have the companionship of the Holy Ghost, you can disregard the teachings of the prophets.

Post by **_truth dancer** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 1:04 am

Ahhhh this is a great example of my difficulties with the church.

A prophet claims he is receiving revelation and makes all sorts of claims, teaches all sorts of things.

They all may or may not be true.

You can know if they are true by the HG.

If the HG tells you they are incorrec then you are being misled.

Until they are proven not true then they become opinion.

So... why in the world is there even a prophet in the first place.

You have a guy who may or may not be speaking truth who claims to be speaking truth. The HG who may or may not tell be accurate in telling someone what is or is not true.

Ok then... :-)

~dancer~

Post by **_Mr. Coffee** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 1:48 am

Since other want to seemingly ignore my question I'll repost it.

Mr. Coffee wrote:Quick question, Gramps...

If Adam was "God", then who was the guy at the begining of Genesis that did the whole "let there be light" schtick?

Also, is there a Canon Policy for LDS? I mean, it seems to me you guys seem to say "screw the Old Testiment/New Testiment" whenever it contradicts any Mormon scriptures.

Post by **_Runtu** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 1:50 am

Mr. Coffee wrote:Since other want to seemingly ignore my question I'll repost it.

Mr. Coffee wrote:Quick question, Gramps...

If Adam was "God", then who was the guy at the begining of Genesis that did the whole "let there be light" schtick?

Also, is there a Canon Policy for LDS? I mean, it seems to me you guys seem to say "screw the Old Testiment/New Testiment" whenever it contradicts any Mormon scriptures.

Well, obviously that's why it's a heresy, since it can't be reconciled with Genesis (or the endowment, for that matter).

Post by **_Mr. Coffee** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:18 am

Runtu wrote:Well, obviously that's why it's a heresy, since it can't be reconciled with Genesis (or the endowment, for that matter).

Which brings me to another concept...

Is the LDS account is just "Another account of Jesus Christ" as the commercials claim then why is the Bible not the level 1 Cannon? The Old Testament/New Testament Bible is the basic book detailing Christianity. So, do Mormons accredit the Bible as being the basic First Level Cannon for their religion or not? If they say that ANYTHING in the Book of Mormon or other Mormon works contradicts the Old Testament/New Testament accounts then would that not mean they are not in fact Christian?

Post by **_Gazelam** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:38 am

Runtu wrote:
Gazelam wrote:On this matter he was wrong. To my knowledge he was right about everything else he taught. The Holy Ghost testifies on these things, and we have had a living Prophet speak out regarding the issue.

I have no ill feelings towards Brigham Young, he just got this thing wrong. It is a minor blemish on an otherwise amazing man.

Was he right about the curse on the seed of Cain? How about blood atonement?

So, in essence you're saying that as long as you have the companionship of the Holy Ghost, you can disregard the teachings of the prophets.

I have no problem with those. No, the Gift of the Holy Ghost does not mean we disregard the Prophets, the prophets direct us in learning to use the Holy Ghost.

Num. 11:27-29
27 And there ran a young man, and told Moses, and said, Eldad and Medad do prophesy in the camp.
28 And Joshua the son of Nun, the servant of Moses, one of his young men, answered and said, My lord Moses, forbid them.
29 And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the LORD’s people were prophets, and that the LORD would put his spirit upon them!

And just because Moses said that HE was the one who brought Water from the rock, doesent mean he was a fallen prophet, even though numerous times his people accused him of being a one.

Post by **_grampa75** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 6:14 pm

Mr. Coffee wrote:Quick question, Gramps...

If Adam was "God", then who was the guy at the begining of Genesis that did the whole "let there be light" schtick?

Also, is there a Canon Policy for LDS? I mean, it seems to me you guys seem to say "screw the Old Testiment/New Testiment" whenever it contradicts any Mormon scriptures.

Mr. Coffee;

I personally can't think of one thing that the LDS does not accept out of the old or new Testament but as for your question about Adam. We believe there is an Adam and Eve for every earth. The Adam of this world did assist in the creation of this world as he was a Celestial person who had that calling. Once he was called to be the Adam of this world and was created by God, figuratively speaking as Ezekiel states; "These are my people. They have I created. I have taken the stony heart out of their flesh and have given them an heart of flesh. " The people answer God by saying; "Yes Father, thou art the potter and we are the clay, and we are all the work of thine hands."

We know that we were not actually created by God but on the other hand we are being created by God right now, in the way that we think and the way that we feel. And since Adam was made from the dust or elements of the earth, we must have those same elements in our own bodies.

After Adam assisted Christ and God the Father in the creation of our world from the Celestial Kingdom of Heaven, he was then brought here to this earth with that Celestial Body and the memory of his past life was taken from him.

That creation will be the same on every earth. Since God created in his own body and that of Eve's body, it would never be necessary to create a body from the dust or elements again.

Ecclesiastes 1: 11 There is no remembrance of former things, neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those who shall come after.

I hope that answers your questions.
grampa75

Post by **_grampa75** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:05 pm

Gazelam wrote:From Bruce R. McConkie's talk "Seven Deadly Heresies"

Heresy six: There are those who believe or say they believe that Adam is our father and our god, that he is the father of our spirits and our bodies, and that he is the one we worship.

The devil keeps this heresy alive as a means of obtaining converts to cultism. It is contrary to the whole plan of salvation set forth in the scriptures, and anyone who has read the Book of Moses, and anyone who has received the temple endowment, has no excuse whatever for being led astray by it. Those who are so ensnared reject the living prophet and close their ears to the apostles of their day. "We will follow those who went before," they say. And having so determined, they soon are ready to enter polygamous relationships that destroy their souls.

We worship the Father, in the name of the Son, by the power of the Holy Ghost; and Adam is their foremost servant, by whom the peopling of our planet was commenced.

End of story. I believe Brigham may have been misreading a text in the Kabbalah, and that he got his idea from there, that's if I am reading what he said correctly and what I understand is taught in the Kabbalah texts.

I believe the practice of Polygamy was premature at the time of Joseph Smith but it is a teaching from Gog. Joseph Smith wanted to believe, as many other apostles and prophets that the day we are living in is the last day. However to avoid that conflict the Lord commanded Joseph Smith to take on other wives. But this next prophecy is depicting what God feels about polygamy;

Isaiah 4: 1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread and wear our own apparel; only let us be called by thy name to take away our reproach.

2. In that day shall the branch of the Lord, be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellant for them that are escaped of Israel.

Man might think that polygamy of terrible and close to adultery, but the Lord looks upon it as something glorious and beautiful.

Perhaps we might need to change our thinking of the subject and study it out in our hearts to be in the same line of thought of the Lord.

As far as Adam being our God I don't believe you're understanding is the same as mine. The FIRST ADAM OF THE FIRST WORLD is God but not the Adam of any other world.

Post by **_truth dancer** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:40 pm

Man might think that polygamy of terrible and close to adultery, but the Lord looks upon it as something glorious and beautiful.

Spoken like a man hoping for lots of women in the next life. (sigh)

Perhaps we might need to change our thinking of the subject and study it out in our hearts to be in the same line of thought of the Lord.

Funny how some men claim to know the mind of God when it comes to how many women they get in heaven.

;-)

All those men and women who have a sense of the beauty that comes from a commited and exclusive relationship are being misled by Satan. The idea that a man and women united in an exclusive relationship can find something together that is not possible when one man is sleeping with dozens of other women must be Satanic... God finds the idea of a man surrounded by a Harem much more honorable and glorious than a man and women loving each other together.

Reminding me why the LDS church just so didn't work for me....

~dancer~