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[_beastie]

Butting in here, having only read the first page or so of this thread. Ray, I find your mention of potential violence to be unbelievably unfortunate and unwise. Next thing you know there'll be a thread on MAD spreading a rumor that someone from this board or RFM has threatened violence.

And most of the believers won't bother to check it out for themselves, they'll just trust that this is so. After all, we are Satan's minions.

[_Jersey Girl]

Butting in here, having only read the first page or so of this thread. Ray, I find your mention of potential violence to be unbelievably unfortunate and unwise. Next thing you know there'll be a thread on MAD spreading a rumor that someone from this board or RFM has threatened violence.

And most of the believers won't bother to check it out for themselves, they'll just trust that this is so. After all, we are Satan's minions.

Make that Satan's minions wallowing around in a cesspool filled with porn and profanity.

Whatever.

The reference was a bad move. Repeat it often enough and people will claim it as truth. It's already on RFM. The whole thing stinks from the get go.

Jersey Girl

[_Ray A]

You have told us that you believe exmormons are filled with an evil spirit, and are comparable to Nazis. Now, it appears, you feel justified in engaging in the very behavior you found so offensive in them, since you can say "they do it too".

I never said all ex-Mormons are "comparable to Nazis". I used the rise of Nazism as an example of how inflammatory rhetoric can escalate, as in the case of Martin Luther. Luther was not a Nazi, but his rhetoric contributed to the rise of Nazism. I also said that what occurs on RFM is not indicative of the majority of ex-Mormons. I have also said that many ex-Mormons are sincere in their disillusionment and feel no ill-will to the Church, but those who post on the forum often use charged and inflammatory language, which I consider to often be hate-filled, and frankly, any rational human being would be concerned by some of the expressions.

Here is Robert Kirby, mirroring, tongue-in-cheek, what we all know:

Finally there are the Nazi Mormons. 10% of the LDS church is Nazi Mormon. Of that 10% 90% live in Utah and most within shouting distance of BYU. Nazi Mormons are prone to wild claims in testimony meeting about things which cannot be proven. Nazi Mormons claim Diet Coke is the same thing as heroin and heaven is a multi-level marketing system. Nazi Mormons always want to have private talks with you about either golden futures, alien landing strips or soap. Nazi Mormons beleive french kissing is cause for excommunication, they routinely take the advice of General Authorities and even improve on it. If no single dating until 16 is good, no single dating until draft age is better. Nazi Mormons pay tithing on their gross income including the stuff they get from the Bishops Storehouse.

There you go. Remember, it is posible to fluctuate between levels. In truth one could find himself swayed from the Conservitive Mormon level to the Orthodox Mormon level by a particuarly powerfull fireside speaker. This only applies to one-level jumps. A Liberal Mormon for example, could never drop four levels to Nazi Mormon.

http://www.jasonbx.com/thoughts/reading ... Mormon.htm

And here is some more "venting" from an RFM poster:

I don't believe I've ever read anything here that equates to inciting violence. I would be the first to condemn such a post. And I am abolutely confident there. But I also will stand behind you if you feel you need to call those geriatric cocksuckers misogynistic assholes. I couldn't agree more. :)

In other words, "I would never want anyone to do violence to you, I just want them to know you're a geriatric cocksucker and a misogynistic asshole".

The contradictions just amaze me.

[_Ray A]

Butting in here, having only read the first page or so of this thread. Ray, I find your mention of potential violence to be unbelievably unfortunate and unwise. Next thing you know there'll be a thread on MAD spreading a rumor that someone from this board or RFM has threatened violence.

Jersey Girl

Ah yes, Jersey Girl. And RFM never spreads rumours, right? Why is it only "unfortunate" if it concerns RFM? How many rumours and how much inneundo has been spread here?! But when it comes to possible rumours being spread about RFM, it's "unfortunate". Have you read Scatch's psychoanalysis of Juliann's personal life? Are you concerned about rumours spreading about her?

[_beastie]

Ray, sometimes I think you're revealing more about your world than anything else with these posts. To you, saying this:

In other words, "I would never want anyone to do violence to you, I just want them to know you're a geriatric cocksucker and a misogynistic asshole".

automatically means you want physical harm to be done to the person.

It just isn't so. I've silently called my exhusband an abusive asshole many times, but I never wanted harm to come to him. Why is this connection inevitable to you?

[_Ray A]

Ray, sometimes I think you're revealing more about your world than anything else with these posts. To you, saying this:

In other words, "I would never want anyone to do violence to you, I just want them to know you're a geriatric cocksucker and a misogynistic asshole".

automatically means you want physical harm to be done to the person.

It just isn't so. I've silently called my exhusband an abusive asshole many times, but I never wanted harm to come to him. Why is this connection inevitable to you?

Because a whole forum has not consistently derided your ex-husband. Now what if your ex-husband was hounded and called the things Dan Peterson has been called? And you saw the quotes. Of course you wouldn't want harm to come to your ex, but would it scare you to see him called all these names? Tell me beastie, what emotions would run through you if your ex was called a snake, a barricuda, immoral, in post after post on a forum by people who never met him?

You still don't seem to grasp how inflammatory language such as I have quoted can eventually damage a person's character, and incite hatred towards them.

[_beastie]

A whole forum has NOT done this to Peterson. In fact, I have read myself times when RFMers objected to the personal attacks on DCP.

And now you seem to be saying that it is violence focused only on DCP that concerns you. What exactly are you trying to say?

by the way, by referring to other instances where the "Nazi" reference is clearly hyperbole, are you admitting you were engaging in hyperbole yourself?

[_Jersey Girl]

Butting in here, having only read the first page or so of this thread. Ray, I find your mention of potential violence to be unbelievably unfortunate and unwise. Next thing you know there'll be a thread on MAD spreading a rumor that someone from this board or RFM has threatened violence.

Jersey Girl

Ah yes, Jersey Girl. And RFM never spreads rumours, right? Why is it only "unfortunate" if it concerns RFM? How many rumours and how much inneundo has been spread here?! But when it comes to possible rumours being spread about RFM, it's "unfortunate". Have you read Scatch's psychoanalysis of Juliann's personal life? Are you concerned about rumours spreading about her?

Well, Ray,

I don't give a rats ass what rumors come out of RFM or what Scratch has offered in the way of "anaylsis" of Juliann's personal life. Do you READ the MAD board, Ray? You must, you post on it. How much innuendo have you see posted there?

What you're suggesting here is dangerous. You're putting something out there that no one has even remotely suggested or implied in any posts.

Or do you have copies of threats of violence? If so, I'd like to see them. Please post them.

Calling someone rotten names in NO WAY suggests escalation to violence. Your even suggesting it here though, certainly has the potential to begin a rumor that is could have dangerous consequences.

If I call you a stupid s*** for brains does that mean I'm going to get on a plane and come down there and pound you? Hell, Ray, I could bombard you with name calling ad nauseum. Does that mean I want to hurt you physically?

Please get a grip.

The posters on MAD are typically gullible and unwilling to read what is said on this board first hand. They are far more content to let others do their homework for them (having been told what horrors this board and RFM contain) and believe what they are told without viewing it for themselves. When you consider the fact that a number of posters from this board are unable to present any sort of counter evidence...do you not see or understand the potential harm that can be done by putting this kind of junk out on the net?

And now you're part of the irrational witch hunt. Smart move.

Congrats,

Jersey Girl

[_Jersey Girl]

And Ray,

I haven't read all of your posts on this board but I did see the "cocksucker" (holy hell is this thread ever going to the Telestial Forum!) post from RFM. If that is the thread started by Kimberly Ann there has GOT to be about 40 posts on that thread.

Are they all like that?

Jersey Girl

[_Ray A]

A whole forum has NOT done this to Peterson. In fact, I have read myself times when RFMers objected to the personal attacks on DCP.

How many objections? One or two? Read the quotes again. These were uncensored by mods.

And now you seem to be saying that it is violence focused only on DCP that concerns you. What exactly are you trying to say?

Go back and read my posts. I have said all I can say, and explained myself. I am not concerned only with DCP, but use the language against him as a good example of hate-filled expressions, and is also often used against Church leaders.

by the way, by referring to other instances where the "Nazi" reference is clearly hyperbole, are you admitting you were engaging in hyperbole yourself?

There is no hyperbole in my comparisons that hatred can incite violence. Muslim Mosques have burned around Australia because of inflammatory commentary. We have defamation laws for this reason. Muslim women have been spat on too. What do you think starts this? Do I have to spell it out? Of course the majority are not like this, but any acts of violence which come from inflammatory rhetoric should be condemned.