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Coggins7 wrote:
You have said before that you view the entire "Left" as a "hateful ideology."


Yes, that's true. Leftism is a hateful philosophy.


It turns out that, for you, "the Left" is basically this big ideological box into which you can dump all sorts of things you don't like, including AGW. You have also said elsewhere that "the Left" represents, in your mind, an attack on "tradition and values," which means, logically, that attacking it will aid you in your belief in the Church.


There are a number of things I disagree with, some on the Libertarian right, that have nothing to do with ideological Leftism per se. AGW, as is true of a number of other things (such as political correctness and the assault of academic freedom and free speech on campus)


Whew! That's a relief. I guess you really, really hate BYU then, right?
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Whew! That's a relief. I guess you really, really hate BYU then, right?


No, I was thinking more of Harvard, Princeton, Cornell, UCLA, Brown, Wellesley, UNC Chapel Hill, those places.
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Coggins7 wrote:
Whew! That's a relief. I guess you really, really hate BYU then, right?


No, I was thinking more of Harvard, Princeton, Cornell, UCLA, Brown, Wellesley, UNC Chapel Hill, those places.


You need to apply your standards fairly, Loran. Or not? Why should BYU get a free pass? Is it because its particular variety of crushing academic freedom is appealing to you? Or do you denounce it just the same as you denounce the Political Correctness fascists at Berkeley and elsewhere?
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Coggins7 wrote:A mind is a terrible thing to waste Coffee.


Yes it is, Scooter. So do your part and stop being wasteful.


Coggins7 wrote:Before you go on any further, hit the books. You've got a long road ahead before you're ready to debate this issue.


Scooter, thus far all I've seen out of you on this subject is cherry picked statistics that ignore the overall subject, mindless walls of ignorance, ad hominem attacks, and political/religious rhetoric. Everyone that's debated this subject with you has spanked you harder than a rented mule.

Before you go shooting your mouth off, why don't you try to be objective for once in your miserable life and actually learn about the subject, Scooter.


Coggins7 wrote:The global temperature has been rising (at different rates at different times, amidst pronounced cooling trends) for much of the 20th century.


Actually, global temps have been slowly on the rise for the last 600 years or so. But since the begining of human industrialization, the speed at which that warming is occuring has been steadily accelerating.

[url=http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/pubs/jones2004/jones2004.html]Climate Over Past Millenia, Reviews of Geophysics,
Vol. 42, No. 2, RG2002, doi:10.1029/2003RG000143, 6 May 2004. [/url]

Notice in the graph provided that since the begining of human industrialization that global mean temp has spiked? Over the previous 1800 years the largest long term global temperature variance has been +/- .6 degrees C, but from the the 1850s to date the global mean temperature has spiked by a 1 degree C. That rise in temp coincides exactly with the increase of greenhouse gas emission rates accelerating since the start of large scale industry.

Now, before you go shooting your mouth off and I'm forced to make you look stupid (again), realize that the above link is hosted by the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Association's National Climatic Data Center, and the article was published by two well respected Climatologists in a well known peer-review science journal. Bear that in mind before you start with your mindless accusations of a vast Liberal Conspiracy, Scooter.


Coggins7 wrote:This, however, implies precisely nothing as to AGW, for which there is no empirical evidence and a mountain of counter-evidence.


Wrong again, Scooter.

As the link above shows, there is a hell of a lot of empirical evidence that shows a clear link between accelerating global warming and human industrialization. THe only counter-evidence you have provided to date are cherry picked statistics from single locations or retarded rants accusing climatologists of being demon worshipping liberals.


Coggins7 wrote: Temperatures on earth have always been rising of falling and always will. This has nothing to do with the claims of AGW proponents and is not in question.


Wow... Do you actually put any thought into what you type or do you find yourself blacking in and out as you go?

Global temperature fluctuations are nothing new. But what is new is the massive difference in scale between the current warming cycle and past cycles. Past warming trend over the last 2000 years have been on the order of .4 degrees C at most, the current cycle has more than doubled that and it's STILL RISING.



Fort, rack me up for my fourth kill and stand by for more. I think Scooter here is going to help us beat our high score.
On Mathematics: I divided by zero! Oh SHI....
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You need to apply your standards fairly, Loran. Or not? Why should BYU get a free pass? Is it because its particular variety of crushing academic freedom is appealing to you? Or do you denounce it just the same as you denounce the Political Correctness fascists at Berkeley and elsewhere?




I'll need to see an example of what you consider to be the "crushing of academic freedom" at BYU. I don't off hand recall ever seeing BYU mentioned in a report at FIRE.
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Coggins7 wrote:
You need to apply your standards fairly, Loran. Or not? Why should BYU get a free pass? Is it because its particular variety of crushing academic freedom is appealing to you? Or do you denounce it just the same as you denounce the Political Correctness fascists at Berkeley and elsewhere?


I'll need to see an example of what you consider to be the "crushing of academic freedom" at BYU. I don't off hand recall ever seeing BYU mentioned in a report at FIRE.


How about the encouraged resignation of Brian Evenson? The resignation of Mike Quinn? The recent squelching of freedom of assembly and protest? The various citations from the AAUP? The booting of Jeffrey Neilson? The firing of various profs for holding unorthodox views?

Face it: you give BYU a free pass.
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ABSTRACT:

We review evidence for climate change over the past several millennia from instrumental and high-resolution climate "proxy" data sources and climate modeling studies. We focus on changes over the past 1 to 2 millennia. We assess reconstructions and modeling studies analyzing a number of different climate fields, including atmospheric circulation diagnostics, precipitation, and drought. We devote particular attention to proxy-based reconstructions of temperature patterns in past centuries, which place recent large-scale warming in an appropriate longer-term context. Our assessment affirms the conclusion that late 20th century warmth is unprecedented at hemispheric and, likely, global scales. There is more tentative evidence that particular modes of climate variability, such as the El Niño/Southern Oscillation and the North Atlantic Oscillation, may have exhibited late 20th century behavior that is anomalous in a long-term context. Regional conclusions, particularly for the Southern Hemisphere and parts of the tropics where high resolution proxy data are sparse, are more circumspect. The dramatic differences between regional and hemispheric/ global past trends, and the distinction between changes in surface temperature and precipitation/drought fields, underscore the limited utility in the use of terms such as the "Little Ice Age" and "Medieval Warm Period" for describing past climate epochs during the last millennium. Comparison of empirical evidence with proxy-based reconstructions demonstrates that natural factors appear to explain relatively well the major surface temperature changes of the past millennium through the 19th century (including hemispheric means and some spatial patterns). Only anthropogenic forcing of climate, however, can explain the recent anomalous warming in the late 20th century.



Notice the shape of this graph on the right hand side? This isn't even a nice try Coffee, as Mann's hockey stick" graph has long been discredited as methodologically flawed beyond redemption. Here is a smattering of the relevant criticism:


http://www.globalwarming.org/article.php?uid=799

Once again (see previous issue), a new study finds that the hockey stick reconstruction of past temperatures produced by Michael Mann and colleagues is based on methodological errors and shortcomings. In Re-constructing Past Climate from Noisy Data (Science Express, Sept. 30), Hans von Storch and colleagues first looked at the likelihood of being able to get an accurate climate signal from historical proxy data (tree rings, boreholes, ice cores, etc.) by estimating the amount of statistical noise inherent in such data. They discovered that the amount of noise was such that it was likely that hockey-stick like reconstructions had severely underestimated past climate variability.

This would explain why the hockey stick, which claims to show that the global mean temperature during the first 900 years of the last millennium was relatively stable and then rose sharply in the twentieth century, failed to show evidence of the Medieval Climate Optimum and the Little Ice Age, for which there is a great deal of historical and paleo-climatological evidence. The hockey-stick graph was featured prominently in the IPCCs Third Assessment Report, published in 2001.

In a commentary on von Storch et als paper, T. J. Osborn and K. R. Briffa, prominent paleo-climatologists from the University of East Anglia, stress the importance of the findings. They say, The message of the study by von Storch et al. is that existing reconstructions of the NH temperature of recent centuries may systematically underestimate the true centennial variability of climate and, If the true natural variability of NH [northern hemisphere] temperature is indeed greater than is currently accepted, the extent to which recent warming can be viewed as unusual would need to be reassessed.


http://www.globalwarming.org/article.php?uid=839


Hockey stick is an "artifact of poor mathematics"


Cooler Heads Coalition
By Iain Murray
October 27, 2004

University of California physics professor Richard Muller, a MacArthur Fellow in 1982 and who writes the column Technology for Presidents in the MIT Technology Review, strongly criticized the Michael Mann hockey stick reconstruction of historic temperatures in his October 15 column.

Mullers criticism is interesting because he remains a strong believer in the threat of global warming. Nevertheless, he agrees with the findings of Steve McIntyre and Ross McKitrick (see previous issues, passim) that the hockey stick is an artifact of poor mathematics. He also points out that the principal component error that McIntyre and McKitrick identify is blatant and easy to understand.

Muller comments further, It certainly does not negate the threat of a long-term global temperature increase. In fact, McIntyre and McKitrick are careful to point out that it is hard to draw conclusions from these data, even with their corrections. Did medieval global warming take place? Last month the consensus was that it did not; now the correct answer is that nobody really knows. Uncovering errors in the Mann analysis doesn't settle the debate; it just reopens it. We now know less about the history of climate, and its natural fluctuations over century-scale time frames, than we thought we knew.

If you are concerned about global warming (as I am) and think that human-created carbon dioxide may contribute (as I do), then you still should agree that we are much better off having broken the hockey stick. Misinformation can do real harm, because it distorts predictions. Suppose, for example, that future measurements in the years 2005-2015 show a clear and distinct global cooling trend. (It could happen.) If we mistakenly took the hockey stick seriously that is, if we believed that natural fluctuations in climate are small then we might conclude (mistakenly) that the cooling could not be a natural occurrence. And that might lead in turn to the mistaken conclusion that global warming predictions are a lot of hooey. If, on the other hand, we reject the hockey stick, and recognize that natural fluctuations can be large, then we will not be misled by a few years of random cooling.

A phony hockey stick is more dangerous than a broken one if we know it is broken. It is our responsibility as scientists to look at the data in an unbiased way, and draw whatever conclusions follow. When we discover a mistake, we admit it, learn from it, and perhaps discover once again the value of caution.


In an interview with the German newspaper Der Spiegel, von Storch commented, We were able to show in a publication in Science that this [hockey stick] graph contains assumptions that are not permissible. Methodologically it is wrong: rubbish. Von Storch also pointed out the IPCCs role in cutting off questioning on the subject: It remains important for science to point out the erroneous nature of the Mann curve. In recent years it has been elevated to the status of truth by the U. N. appointed science body, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). This handicapped all that research which strives to make a realistic distinction between human influences and climate and natural variability.

Von Storch also commented on Manns defense of his now thoroughly discredited research. His influence in the community of climate researchers is great, he said. And Mann rejects any reproach most forcefully. His defensiveness is understandable. Nobody likes to see his own child die. But we must respect our credibility as research scientists. Otherwise we play into the hands of those skeptics of global climate change who imagine a conspiracy between science and politics.


http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index ... -2005-rip/

Hockey Stick, 1998-2005, R.I.P.

Filed under: Climate History, Temperature History, Paleo/Proxy —

The “hockey stick” representation of the temperature behavior of the past 1,000 years is broken, dead. Although already reeling from earlier analyses aimed at its midsection, the knockout punch was just delivered by Nature magazine. Thus the end of this palooka: that the climate of the past millennium was marked by about 900 years of nothing and then 100 years of dramatic temperature rise caused by people. The saga of the “hockey stick” will be remembered as a remarkable lesson in how fanaticism can temporarily blind a large part of the scientific community and allow unproven results to become “mainstream” thought overnight.

The “Hockey Stick” is dead. This once-feared icon of global warming purported to show annual average temperature of the Northern Hemisphere for the past 1,000 years. It was derived from the climatic information that is stored in a variety of climate-sensitive or climate “proxy” data records—things such as tree rings, coral banding records, and sediment cores. It’s called the “hockey stick” because its long handle corresponds to 900 years (from 1000 to 1900) of little temperature variation, and its blade represents 100 years (1900 to 1999) of rapid temperature rise (Figure 1). The “hockey stick” made its debut in the journal Geophysical Research Letters in 1999 in a paper by Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley, and Malcolm Hughes that built upon a 1998 paper by the same authors in the journal Nature which detailed the methodology for creating a proxy temperature reconstruction.

So compelling was 1,000-yr long “hockey stick” graphic, that it quickly became the poster child for anthropogenic global warming. As such, it was prominently displayed as the first figure of the oft-read Summary for Policymakers of 2001 Third Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. The “hockey stick” graphic gives the appearance that left to its own devices, nature displays very little in the way of temperature variation, but that during the past century, humans have come along and thrown everything out of kilter. It is thus the perfect representation of the greenhouse alarmists’ message—humans have caused the weather to be like never before (and this is bad).

However, the shape of the “hockey stick” looked strangely out of place against the existing knowledge of the climate of the past millennium. Where was the Little Ice Age (LIA)—a well-documented cold period lasting from about the 16th to the 19th century? And where was the Medieval Warm Period (MWP)—a relatively warmer period extending from about 11th to the 13th century? By containing little indication that these climate episodes existed, the “hockey stick” presents a completely new picture of the climate of the past 1,000 years. Natural variability is reduced to little more than annual-to-decadal scale fluctuations superimposed on longer-scale constancy. This is not the same story that is told in countless weather and climate textbooks used in classrooms around the world.

It’s not that a single discovery can’t change the existing scientific paradigm—in fact sudden changes are more characteristic of how science progresses than are slowly evolving ideas—it is just that rarely are new paradigms so immediately embraced and exalted as was the “hockey stick.” Instead, new paradigms are typically met with skepticism and disdain as the mainstream is slow to let go of the conventional wisdom. In the case of the “hockey stick” this process was turned on its head—the “hockey stick” immediately was held up as the symbol of “mainstream” thought and anyone who did not wholly accept it was labeled as a skeptic. Additionally, the members of the mainstream often united in organized efforts to severely rebuke each any every critique of the “hockey stick,” oftentimes resorting to personal attacks against the critical party.

Nevertheless, despite attempts to quell dissent, the pursuit of scientific understanding is relentless, and ideas that are unable to stand up under the weight of careful scientific scrutiny eventually collapse. Such has been the fate of the “hockey stick.”

The first sign that something amiss with the “hockey stick” was published in 2003 by Harvard scientists Willie Soon and Sallie Baliunas. Soon and Baliunas performed a survey of the existing scientific literature concerning the climate of the past 1,000 years and compiled evidence for and against the existence of the MWP and the LIA. They found that overwhelmingly, within the scores of scientific articles that they reviewed, there was strong evidence to support the existence of these well-known climatic episodes that were largely absent from the “hockey stick” reconstruction. Apparently, the handle of the “hockey stick”—that part of it which represents natural variation—is too flat.

Then came the painstaking effort by Steven McIntyre and Ross McKitrick to simply attempt to reproduce the “hockey stick” using the data and procedures described by Mann and colleagues in their 1998 Nature publication. In their professions McIntyre (a mineral consultant) and McKitrick (an economist) had encountered numerous hockey-stick-shaped graphs that were typically used to try to sell an idea based upon some measure of performance. Their experience was that these types of graphs inevitably broke down under careful scrutiny. Familiar with accounting procedures, they decided, out of personal interest, to “audit” the “hockey stick” and see if they could recreate it starting from scratch.

The resulting trials and tribulations of McIntyre and McKitrick make for a truly eye-opening look at the supposed “openness” of the scientific process. For years they toiled tirelessly in their task, working through countless roadblocks erected by the “hockey stick’s” original creators, and documenting an embarrassing number of errors in the original procedure including inaccurate data descriptions, insufficient methodological details, data compilation errors, data handling mistakes, and questionable statistical techniques. While no individual mistake was likely sufficient enough in and of itself to throw into question the “hockey stick,” taken together, the list of errors indicate a certain lack of rigor and attention to detail by the “hockey stick’s” creators. Their efforts are detailed in two scientific articles (McIntyre and McKitrick, 2003; 2005), in an upcoming book chapter, and in McIntyre’s personal web page. Additionally, the Wall Street Journal chronicled much of this activity in a front page article on February 14, 2005.

The third dissenting voice was that of Jan Esper and colleagues in 2004. Esper is an expert in climate reconstructions based upon tree-ring records (the primary type of proxy data relied upon by Mann et al. in creating the “hockey stick”). It turns out that one must be careful when using tree rings to reconstruct long-term climate variability because as the tree itself ages, the widths of the annual rings that it produces changes—even absent any climatic variations. This growth trend needs to be taken into account when trying to interpret any climate data contained in the tree-ring records. In most cases, the tree-ring records are first detrended to remove this growth trend, and then the remaining variation in the rings is used to derive a climate signal. The problem with this technique is that by detrending the tree-ring record, long-term climate trends are lost as well. Esper et al. point out that this could be one likely reason why the handle of the “hockey stick” is so flat—it lacks the centennial-scale variations that were lost in the standardization of its primary data source. Using an alternative technique that attempted to preserve as much of the information about long-term climate variations as possible from historical tree-ring records, Esper and colleagues derived their own annual Northern Hemisphere temperature reconstruction. The result (Figure 2) is a 1,000-yr temperature history in which the LIA and the MWP are much more pronounced than the “hockey stick” reconstruction—more evidence that the “hockey stick” underestimates the true level of natural climate variation.

The chorus of dissent grew louder with the publication of a paper by Hans von Storch and colleagues in Science in late-2004. Von Storch was interested in how well the temperature reconstruction methodology used in producing the “hockey stick” actually worked. In order to investigate this, he used a climate model, run with historic changes in solar output and volcanic eruptions to produce a temperature record for the past 1,000 years. For von Storch’s purposes, it was not necessary to produce an accurate temperature record, just one that was reasonably representative of what may have happened. Next, he employed a methodology similar to Mann et al.’s, using “proxy” data derived from the climate model temperature record to see how well the Mann et al. methodology could reconstruct the actual data from which it was drawn. What von Storch’s research team found was that the techniques used to construct the “hockey stick” vastly underestimated the true level of variability in the known (modeled) temperature record (Figure 3). It is thus reasonable to conclude that the same techniques, when applied in the real world, would similarly underestimate the true level of natural variability and thus underplay the importance of the LIA and MWP. Again, the von Storch finding adds further evidence that the handle of the “hockey stick” is too flat.

And now, with the publication of a paper in Nature magazine in early 2005 by Anders Moberg and colleagues, it’s all over for the hockey stick. Recognizing that different kinds of proxy temperature records may be more appropriately related to climatic variations at different time scales, Moberg applied a statistical technique called ‘wavelet analysis’ that allows each proxy to explain temperature variations on a timescale that it was most sensitive to. For example, as discussed above, tree-rings have difficulty in capturing long-term variations but are quite useful for investigating annual-to-decadal scale variability. Other proxies, such as lake and ocean sediments, contain climate information, but are harder to date precisely on annual or even decadal time scales. These low temporal resolution proxies are nonetheless useful for capturing long-term, multi-century climate variations. By combining high-resolution with low-resolution proxy information, Moberg et al. produced a 1,000-yr (actually a 2,000-yr) long temperature reconstruction for the Northern Hemisphere. Moberg’s reconstruction (Figure 4) contains strong MWP and LIA signals. The natural variation of temperatures in the Moberg reconstruction is two to three times that of the Mann et al. “hockey stick.” Again, the handle of the “hockey stick” was found to be too flat.

Moberg Reconstruction

Had the original reconstruction by Mann and colleagues looked like the latest reconstruction by Moberg et al., no one would have paid it much attention, because it would have fit nicely with the expectations given all of the prior research on the climate history of the past millennium. It would have been nothing remarkable.

But, the “hockey stick” was remarkable. And as such, it will be remembered as a remarkable lesson in how fanaticism can temporarily blind a large part of the scientific community and allow unproven results to become mainstream thought overnight. The embarrassment that it caused to many scientists working in the field of climatology will not be soon forgotten. Hopefully, new findings to come, as remarkable and enticing as they may first appear, will be greeted with a bit more caution and thorough investigation before they are widely accepted as representing the scientific consensus.

In this way, the lead graphic in the upcoming IPCC’s Fourth Assessment Report, due out in late 2007, may even survive to be included somewhere in the Fifth Assessment Report which will no doubt follow five or so years hence. The “hockey stick” won’t be so lucky.

References:

Esper J., D.C. Frank, and J.S. Wilson, 2004. Climate reconstructions: Low-frequency ambition and high-frequency ratification. Eos, 85, 133,120.

Esper, J., E.R. Cook, and F.H. Schweingruber, 2002. Low frequency signals in long tree-ring chronologies for reconstructing past temperature variability, Science, 295, 2250-2253.

Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, 2001. Climate Change 2001: The Scientific Basis. Houghton, J.T., et al., (eds.), Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, U.K, pp 881, http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/index.htm.

Mann, M.E. R.S. Bradley, and M.K. Hughes, 1998. Global-scale temperature patterns and climate forcing over the past six centuries. Nature, 392, 779-787.

Mann, M.E., R.S. Bradley, and M.K. Hughes, 1999. Northern Hemisphere temperatures during the past millennium: inferences, uncertainties, and limitations. Geophysical Research Letters, 26, 759–762.

McIntyre, S., and R. McKitrick, 2003. Corrections to the Mann et. al. (1998) Proxy database and Northern Hemispheric average temperature series. Energy & Environment,14, 751-771.

McIntyre, S., and R. McKitrick, 2005. Hockey sticks, principal components, and spurious significance. Geophysical Research Letters, 32, doi:10.1029/2004GL021750.

Moberg, A., et al., 2005. Highly variable Northern Hemisphere temperatures reconstructed from low- and high-resolution proxy data. Nature, 433, 613-617.

Soon, W., and S. Baliunas, 2003. Proxy climatic and environmental changes of the past 1,000 years. Climate Research, 23, 89–110.

Von Storch, H., et al., 2004. Reconstructing past climate from noisy data. Science, 306, 679-682.


And, as Lord Christopher Mocnkton recently pointed out in his response to Gore's propaganda film, An Inconvenient Truth: (this is an indispensable primer on the present debate) (http://ff.org/centers/csspp/pdf/20061121_gore.pdf):


No. In fact the committee of the National Research Council, (North et al., 2006), which
answers to the National Academies of Sciences and of Engineering, while confident that
today’s temperatures are warmer than at any time in the past 400 years, was “less
confident” about the UN “hockey-stick” graph’s abolition of the mediaeval warm period,
because of a lack of data before 1600 AD. The committee’s report criticized the methodology
of the authors of the “hockey-stick”, The committee notes explicitly, on pages 91 and 111,
that the method used in compiling the UN’s “hockey-stick” temperature graph has no
validation skill significantly different from zero. Methods without a validation skill are
usually considered useless.
Similar grounds for concern were listed in a report by three independent statisticians for the
US House of Representatives (Wegman et al., 2005), who found that the calculations behind
the “hockey-stick” graph were “obscure and incomplete”. Criticisms of the hockey-stick
summarized in my article came from papers in the learned journals: e.g. McIntyre and
McKitrick (2005). Wegman et al. (2005) found these criticisms “valid and compelling”. It
found that the scientists who had compiled the graph had not used statistical techniques
properly, and found no evidence that they had “had significant interactions with mainstream
statisticians”. It found that the scientists’ “sharing of research material, data and results was
haphazardly and grudgingly done.” It found that the peer review process, by which other
scientists are supposed to verify learned papers before publication, “was not necessarily
independent”. Finally, it found that the “hockey-stick” scientists’ “assessments that the
decade of the 1990s was the hottest decade of the millennium and that 1998 was the hottest
year of the millennium cannot be supported by their analysis”. It recommended that Statefunded
scientific research should be more carefully and independently peer-reviewed in
future, not only by the learned journals but also by the UN’s climate change panel. It
recommended that authors of the UN’s scientific assessments should not be the same as the
authors of the learned papers on which the UN relies; that State-funded scientists should
make their data and calculations openly and promptly available; and that statistical results
by scientists who were not statisticians should be peer-reviewed by statisticians.


And, has late 19th and 20th century warming been unusual? As Dr. Sallie Baliunas said in Senate Committee testimony (Separating Climate Fact From Fiction Testimony of March 13, 2002 by Dr Sallie Baliunas provided to the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works, chaired by Sen. James M. Jeffords. http://www.sepp.org/):

Computer simulations of climate in which the air's greenhouse gas concentrations increase owing to human activities predict detectable warming not only near the surface but also in the layer of air above the surface, the lower troposphere, which rises in altitude from roughly two to eight kilometers. Records from NASA's Microwave Sounder Units aboard satellites extend back 21 years and cover most of the globe (Figure 3). The satellite-derived record is validated independently by measurements from NOAA balloon radiosonde instruments, and those records extend back over 40 years (Figure 4). Those records show that the temperature of the lower troposphere does vary, e.g., the strong El Niño warming pulse of 1997-98 is obvious. However, no meaningful human warming trend, as forecast by the computer simulations, can be found.

The radiosonde record from balloons confirms the results of the satellites. Although the radiosonde record lacks the dense spatial coverage from satellites, the radiosonde record extends back to 1957, a period that includes the recent rapid rise in the air's carbon dioxide concentration. The balloon record shows no warming trend in global average temperature prior to the dramatic shift in 1976-77. That warming, known as the Great Pacific Climate Shift of 1976 - 1977, is not attributable to human causes but is a natural, shift in the Pacific that occurs every 20 to 30 years, and can affect global average temperatures.

When compared to the observed response of the climate system, the computer simulations all have forecast warming trends much steeper over the last several decades than measured. The forecasts exaggerate to some degree the warming at the surface, and profoundly in the lower troposphere.

The complexity of the computer simulations of climate is one reason the forecasts are unreliable. The simulations must track over 5 million parameters. To simulate climate change for a period of several decades is a computational task that requires 10,000,000,000,000,000,000 degrees of freedom. To improve the forecasts, much better information is required, including accurate understanding of the two major, natural greenhouse gas effects - water vapor and clouds.

Natural climate variability: The sun's influence


Given the lack of an observed warming trend in the lower troposphere, the result is that most of the surface warming in recent decades cannot owe to a human-caused enhanced greenhouse effect. What might cause the surface warming, especially in the early 20th century when greenhouse gases from human activities had not significantly increased in concentration in the atmosphere? The 20th Century temperature pattern shows a strong correlation to energy output of the sun (Figure 5). Although the causes of the changing sun's particle, magnetic and energy outputs are uncertain, as are the responses of the climate to the Sun's various changes, the correlation is pronounced. It explains especially well the early 20th Century warming trend, which cannot have much human contribution.

Based on the key temperature measurements of the last several decades, the actual response of the climate to the increased concentration of carbon dioxide and other human-made greenhouse gases content in the air has shown no significant man-made global warming trend. The magnitude of expected human change is especially constrained by the observed temperature trends of the lower troposphere.


Sallie Baliunas, Ph.D. is an Astrophysicist at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics and Deputy Director of Mount Wilson Observatory. Dr. Baliunas serves as Senior Scientist at the George C. Marshall Institute in Washington, DC, and chairs the Institute's Science Advisory Board. She is also Visiting Professor at Brigham Young University, Adjunct Professor at Tennessee State University and past contributing editor to the World Climate Report. Her awards include the Newton-Lacy-Pierce Prize of the American Astronomical Society, the Petr Beckmann Award for Scientific Freedom and the Bok Prize from Harvard University. She has written over 200 scientific research articles. She received her M.A. (1975) and Ph.D. (1980) degrees in Astrophysics from Harvard University.

Or, as Dr. Tim Ball has remarked in a National Post essay regarding the dismantling of the "hockey stick" (Kyoto debunked http://www.sepp.org/):


The paper's authors, Toronto-based analyst Steve McIntyre and University of Guelph economics professor Ross McKitrick, obtained the original data used by Michael Mann of the University of Virginia to support the notion that the 20th-century temperature rise was unprecedented in the past millennium. A detailed audit revealed numerous errors in the data. After correcting these and updating the source records they showed that based on Mann's own methodologies, his original conclusion was flawed. Mann's original version resulted in the famous "hockey stick" graph that purported to show 900 years of relative temperature stability (the shaft of the hockey stick) followed by a sharp increase (the blade) in the 20th century (see graph). The corrected version of the last thousand years actually contradicts the view promoted by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), and removes the foundation for claims of 20th-century uniqueness.

To understand the significance of the McIntyre/McKitrick announcement, it is important to consider how our understanding of long-term climate history has evolved over the past decade. In its 1990 and 1995 "Assessment Reports", the IPCC clearly identified two major global climatic events in the past millennium, as confirmed by thousands of papers written by quaternary geologists during the past century -- a "Medieval Warm Period" (MWP) from about 800 to 1300 A.D. that was as much as two degrees Celsius warmer than today, and a far colder "Little Ice Age" (LIA) from about 1300 to 1900 A.D. The effects of these events were felt worldwide with convincing evidence of both the MWP and LIA found in Europe, North America, Africa, the Caribbean, Peru and even in China, Japan and Australia. As part of our emergence from the LIA, scientists agreed there had been a gradual warming throughout the 20th century, although the reasons for this were hotly contested with increasing greenhouse gases (GHG) and changes in the output of the sun being leading contenders.

However, the scientific review process that all studies must undergo before publication had failed in the case of the MBH98 paper. The temperature data before 1900 were not directly measured, as they were after 1900 when land-based thermometer readings were used. Instead, pre-1900 temperatures were calculated based on the measurement of "proxies," natural phenomena such as the growth of tree rings or coral that indicate what temperature was at certain times in the past. Consequently, grafting the two very different types of data sets together without significant overlap to come to dramatic conclusions was unwarranted and should have been seriously contested by the paper's reviewers. Chris de Freitas of the School of Geography and Environmental Science at the University of Auckland, New Zealand, sums up, "The Mann 'hockey stick' is nothing more than a mathematical construct vigorously promoted in the IPCC's 2001 report to affirm the notion that temperature changes of the 20th century were unprecedented."


And (Earth Day: A Satire. http://www.sepp.org/)

The 20th century, contrary to the alarmism of environmentalists, was neither the warmest century in the past millennium, nor the one marked by the most severe weather. Belief that the globe is warming faster than ever before, and so fast that the rise threatens the environment, is the result of examining variations in temperature over too short a time span.

The Medieval Warm Period, from approximately 800 to 1300 AD, was as much as 4 C warmer on average than today, worldwide, nearly as warm as the upper extreme of U.N. climate projections for the coming century. And the natural world did not implode, far from it. Greenland sustained agricultural colonies through much of this period. The seas teemed with fish. Wars were less common in Europe than during the later Middle Ages, in part, because harvests were plentiful and less pressure existed for campaigns of conquest to acquire new lands and resources. Cathedral construction on a grand scale (a sign of relative affluence) boomed across Europe. Mesoamerica also flourished.

Remarkable in the Harvard-Smithsonian study is the depth of analysis it contains of the historical temperature record and its finding that the Medieval Warm Period was global, not merely confined to the North Atlantic region, as some have argued.

The study, funded in part by NASA and the National (U.S.) Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration -- two organizations known for their enthusiastic support of the manmade warming theory -- examined the results from more than 240 scientific reports on temperature "proxies," biological, cultural and geological fingerprints that indirectly reveal temperatures centuries, millennia or even eons, ago.


And, as S. Fred Singer has pointed out (THE ROAD FROM RIO TO KYOTO: HOW CLIMATE SCIENCE WAS DISTORTED TO SUPPORT IDEOLOGICAL OBJECTIVES, http://www.sepp.org/Archive/NewSEPP/KyotoAssessment.htm)

1
. Let us start with the oft-repeated statement that "global mean surface air temperature has increased by between about 0.3 and 0.6 °C since the late 19th century" [IPCC 1996, Climate Change 1995, Summary for Policymakers, page 4]. The SPM does not reveal, however, that the temperature rise occurred before 1940 and was followed by a decline between 1940 and 1975 (even while the level of greenhouse gases increased rapidly). [Figure 1] Thus the reader is led to believe that the temperature rise is due to the increasing level of GH gases. But the theoretical climate models cannot explain this observed temperature history, which is most likely the result of natural climate fluctuations that dominate over human influences. [See: Singer 1999]

2. You have undoubtedly read that the 20th century is the warmest in 600 years of climate history [SPM, page 5]. Again, this statement is entirely correct, but also incomplete. It does not reveal that the period from about 1400 AD to 1850 spanned the aptly named "Little Ice Age." Nor do we learn that a little further back in the climate record the temperature was much warmer than today; the so-called Medieval Climate Optimum occurred around 1100 AD, when the Vikings were able to settle Greenland.

4. The IPCC document refers to an "unprecedented" warming of "unprecedented" rapidity in the next century. Even if climate-model forecasts were correct and validated by actual observations, the IPCC claim is not borne out by historical data. The planet has experienced larger and more rapid temperature swings throughout geological times [See Figure 2]. The planet has also experienced a concentration of greenhouse gases, like carbon dioxide, at 20 times the present level during recorded geological history, dwarfing the increase due to fossil-fuel burning, which may (or may not) result in a doubling of CO2 levels.

This is just a bare bones "warming up", of course.
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Coggins7 wrote:
ABSTRACT: Only anthropogenic forcing of climate, however, can explain the recent anomalous warming in the late 20th century.



Guess you missed that bit, Scooter.


Coggins7 wrote:Here is a smattering of the relevant criticism:


This ought to be good for a laugh.


Coggins7 wrote:http://www.globalwarming.org/article.php?uid=799


Wow. Your response to a research paper by two well respected doctors published in peer-reviewed science jounals and hosted by a government science agency is to post blithering from a Corporate and Consumer Advocacy group? Even worse, the two articles from Globalwarming.org lack any sources or links to supportive evidence.

Seriously, what damned planet are you from, Scooter?

Let's look at some of the names being tossed about in your little response, shall we?

The first bit of BS you posted lists Dr. Hans von Storch, Professor at the Meteorological Institute of the University of Hamburg, and Director of the Institute of Coastal Research at the GKSS Research Centre in Geesthacht, Germany. Your article stats that Dr. von Storch disproved or denied the relevence and accuracy of the "hockey stick" model. This claim is an outright falsehood.

Dr. Hans von Storch's paper to the US House of Representitives Comittee on Energy and Commerce, July 19, 2006.

Dr. von Strotch not only validates the "hokey stick" model, he revised it it with better modeling, and now endorses it.


The second bit of BS you posted...

Coggins7 wrote:Muller comments further, It certainly does not negate the threat of a long-term global temperature increase.


Doesn't support your claims, Scooter.

The rest of your BS is more of the same strawmandering "the initial version of the hockey stick model had an error, so all subsequent versions are wrong, hence AGW is false" illogic.



Coggins7 wrote:This is just a bare bones "warming up", of course.


Go for it, Scooter. I hope you bring your A game, because you suck at this.
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Mr. Coffee wrote:The first bit of BS you posted lists Dr. Hans von Storch, Professor at the Meteorological Institute of the University of Hamburg, and Director of the Institute of Coastal Research at the GKSS Research Centre in Geesthacht, Germany. Your article stats that Dr. von Storch disproved or denied the relevence and accuracy of the "hockey stick" model. This claim is an outright falsehood.

Dr. Hans von Storch's paper to the US House of Representitives Comittee on Energy and Commerce, July 19, 2006.

Dr. von Strotch not only validates the "hokey stick" model, he revised it it with better modeling, and now endorses it.


The second bit of BS you posted...

Coggins7 wrote:Muller comments further, It certainly does not negate the threat of a long-term global temperature increase.


Doesn't support your claims, Scooter.


Outstanding. Does Cogs genuinely mean to deceive, or does he simply not read, or not understand what he is reading?
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Fortigurn wrote:Outstanding. Does Cogs genuinely mean to deceive, or does he simply not read, or not understand what he is reading?


It's pretty simple, Fort.

See, here's Scooter...
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And here's a given topic Scooter is trying to debate...
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And here's Scooter's actual debate...
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File that under "The More You Know..."
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