The Dude's psychedelic MAD post

Post by **_Runtu** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:04 pm

Blixa wrote:Well to bring it back to the OP, I just finished reading through the rest of The Dude's LSD thread over on the MAD board. Again, kudos to him for patience. I'da been outta there at the first bad analogy (projectors, transmisions, broadcasts).

And thanks to you all, I had to Google 'Nehor' and step in a puddle of mormom-wiki for an explanation. So, what, he's a lesser Korihor? Is "hor" a reformed Egyptian suffix meaning "bad guy?"

I may be wrong, but I recognize this writing style. Makes me want to destroy passersby.

Post by **_The Dude** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:49 pm

As you might have guessed, I've tried psilolcybin a few times. I have a hard time saying whether any of those trips rank as the #1 most spiritual or mystical experience of my life. I mean... yeah, maybe...? It's hard to even compare it to anything else because when it happens it is so different from a normal experience. I guess that alone could make it #1.

The first time wasn't the best -- it was actually terrifying because I was on top of a mountain with sheer sides and I thought somebody was going to fall off. I've never been so scared in all my life.

The second time was probably the coolest -- on a deserted beach in such a dense fog that I couldn't see the road or the city. Beads of water condensed on my BIL's bristly hair like some kind of halo. It was like that for hours. Peculiar stones and patterns in the sand took on symbolic meaning for as long as it lasted. It would have been cool even without the shrooms, but with that it really seemed magical.

Some of the other times were also cool. Others not so great. Where you are and what you are doing seems to be the most important factor. It's fickle.

I noticed there's a thread in the Celestial forum about ethogens and the Word of Wisdom. As the WoW is traditionally followed, I think psilocybin and other ethogens would not be allowed following the "common sense" that anything deemed illegal by the government must be disallowed by the LDS god. It's the same logic for movies given the "R" rating by a the movie ratings board -- go figure. That's Mormon culture, not doctrine. Nevertheless, if I still had a temple recommend, it would be very interesting to trip in an endowment session. Maybe then I would finally see what Mormons get so turned on about! LOL

Post by **_Blixa** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:19 pm

Neuro-research in general is a fascinating subject, not least because it often necessitates rethinking all kinds of assumptions about subjectivity.

Your reflections on your own experience is interesting and I would have launched into a description of some my own, I've never done any hallucinogens but have some experience with other things, had I not read this the exact same day I first started reading your MAD post:

"Vancouver psychotherapist Andrew Feldmar has been barred from entering the United States. The reason? During a random stop-and-search at a US/Canadian border crossing, a Google search of his name led to his article from the Spring 2001 'Janus Head: Journal of Interdisciplinary Studies in Literature, Continental Philosophy, Phenomenological Psychology, and the Arts.' In it Feldmar describes two acid trips he took under the supervision of his graduate advisor in psychology -- in 1967. This turns out to have been enough to earn him a life-time ban under the grounds of 'admitted drug use.'

"Feldmar *was* told he could apply for a waiver, and that after a year, and at a cost of around $3,500, he had a '90% chance' of its being granted.

"Oh -- and he'd have to go through the process each time he wanted to travel to the US."

The official said that under the Homeland Security Act, Feldmar was being denied entry due to "narcotics" use. LSD is not a narcotic substance, Feldmar tried to explain, but an entheogen. The guard wasn't interested in technicalities. He asked for a statement from Feldmar admitting to having used LSD and he fingerprinted Feldmar for an FBI file."

I ran across the story on BoingBoing, but you can read Feldman's own take on this very very very scary development here:

http://thetyee.ca/News/2007/04/23/Feldmar/

I think its that this started with a quick Google is what disturbs me most...

Post by **_Who Knows** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:21 pm

The Dude wrote:...if I still had a temple recommend, it would be very interesting to trip in an endowment session. Maybe then I would finally see what Mormons get so turned on about! LOL

Are there such things as 'bad trips' with psilolcybin?

Post by **_Doctor Steuss** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:25 pm

Who Knows wrote:
The Dude wrote:...if I still had a temple recommend, it would be very interesting to trip in an endowment session. Maybe then I would finally see what Mormons get so turned on about! LOL

Are there such things as 'bad trips' with psilolcybin?

Of the times I took shrooms, I only had one bad trip (took a little over an 8th). I spent the majority of the night contemplating whether or not to turn myself into the police for a murder that I had convinced myself that I had committed. Not very groovy.

One of my friends only took shroomies twice, both were bad news (for the record though, he gets overly paranoid when he does the happy-sticky-purple-punch too).

Post by **_Who Knows** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:42 pm

So are we all sharing drug stories now?

I took acid twice when i was in high school - why i took it the 2nd time after the horrible first experience - is a mystery i'll never know.

Long story short, i took a tab during lunch time at school. I can't say i wasn't warned by my friends not to do it. But i did it anyways. I'm surprised i'm still here today without a criminal record. Luckily, the only classes i had after lunch were study hall, and PE (gym).

I actually don't remember a whole lot, except for staring at the carpet endlessly during study hall, and seeing bart simpson everywhere (and I'm not even a fan of the simpsons). And I also remember playing kickball in gym - what's so funny about it is that day, the teacher had us play in reverse - ie., after you kick it, you run to 3rd base, then to 2nd, etc. At least, that's what i remember.

What's wierd is, to this day, if i stare at the carpet long enough, i can still see bart simpson's form in the carpet. A sort of souvenir from the trip i guess.

Post by **_Blixa** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:44 pm

Your Bart Simpson is Sartre's lobster---you know that story?

Post by **_Who Knows** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:48 pm

Blixa wrote:Your Bart Simpson is Sartre's lobster---you know that story?

No, what is it?

Post by **_The Dude** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:30 pm

Doctor Steuss wrote:Of the times I took shrooms, I only had one bad trip (took a little over an 8th). I spent the majority of the night contemplating whether or not to turn myself into the police for a murder that I had convinced myself that I had committed. Not very groovy.

Doctor Steuss' story reminds me of the time I smoked weed in a new apartment I'd just moved into. Apparently the fire alarm was hyper-sensitive or something. On top of that, the alarm was linked to a network that made all the alarms go off in the building, and only the fire department could turn it off. So, freshly stoned, I ran out to the sidewalk to intercept the firefighters and tell them it was just me lighting candles and there wasn't really a fire. I hoped they could just shut it off from outside and wouldn't have to come in and smell the pot smoke in my apartment. Nope, they had to come in to shut off the alarm. All my neighbors were outside watching this. So the firefighter started following me to my apartment, but then he checked his monitor and said the apartment I was leading him to wasn't the one that had set off the alarm. It was the guy next door to me -- it turns out he was moving his surf board and accidentally hit the alarm on his ceiling. Doh!

Don't confess your sins to the fire department, the campus computer office, or the FBI, until they come asking. That's my rule.

Who Knows wrote:Are there such things as 'bad trips' with psilolcybin?

I've never had an entire shroom trip go bad, but several times I've had periods of panic. Like the one on the mountain top, or another time when I was trying to order drinks in a super crowded bar on New Years Eve.

Who Knows wrote: took acid twice when I was in high school - why I took it the 2nd time after the horrible first experience - is a mystery I'll never know.

Long story short, I took a tab during lunch time at school.

What the hell? Dropping acid during school? Talk about reckless.

Post by **_Who Knows** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:40 pm

The Dude wrote:What the hell? Dropping acid during school? Talk about reckless.

Dude! No need to re-iterate how stupid i was!

It was my first time. I had NO FREAKING CLUE that it would do what it did. I had smoked some weed before that during school - and didn't think that was a big deal. I had no idea that acid was that much more - what's the word - perception altering?

Hey, i was a 17 year old idiot. what can i say.