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liz3564 wrote:
Beastie wrote:My boyfriend is a good example. That boy can dance. He's not what you would think of for a "dancing man". The only reason he can dance the way he can is because he grew up a Mormon. Anyone old enough to remember Star Palace? (I think that was its name)


OMG! Yes, I remember the Star Palace! I was a BYU student when that was a big deal! LOL

Yes, I'm 43...I'm old!


I remember that place, though I think I only went there once. Quite the pickup place, if I remember. Sounds positively cheesy, doesn't it?
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Runtu wrote:
liz3564 wrote:
Beastie wrote:My boyfriend is a good example. That boy can dance. He's not what you would think of for a "dancing man". The only reason he can dance the way he can is because he grew up a Mormon. Anyone old enough to remember Star Palace? (I think that was its name)


OMG! Yes, I remember the Star Palace! I was a BYU student when that was a big deal! LOL

Yes, I'm 43...I'm old!


I remember that place, though I think I only went there once. Quite the pickup place, if I remember. Sounds positively cheesy, doesn't it?


I went to Star Palace twice. The first time was my Freshman year at the Y. I got my wallet stolen out of my purse.

The second time I went was with my husband(who was my fiance at the time). I had a much better time that time.

LOL
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Dr. Shades wrote:THIS is what the MA&Dites were so up-in-arms about? Is this the documentary which is supposedly so hostile to Mormons and such a major disappointment to them?

My goodness, this show went way, WAY easy on them. It skipped over or outright ignored LOTS of potentially damaging controversies.

Who knows, maybe I've been embroiled in the world of Online Mormonism for so long that I've forgotten what's shocking and what's not, but it seems like this is by far the most favorable possible documentary they could've expected from a bunch of non-Mormons.

But who knows what was said that has just rocked the foundations of Chapel Mormonism?


Those were my thoughts exactly. What was so supposedly controversial about it? It was about as good as the church could have hoped for, in my opinion.

But overall, I thought it was very well done. It seemed pretty balanced (although they spent too much time on the 'trek out west' in my opinion). But I enjoyed it.

Can't wait to hear what my TBM family thought of it.
WK: "Joseph Smith asserted that the Book of Mormon peoples were the original inhabitants of the americas"
Will Schryver: "No, he didn’t." 3/19/08
Still waiting for Will to back this up...
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beastie wrote:Anyone else watch it tonight? I was transfixed by it. I thought she did a very good job capturing some of the complex contradictions and enigmas about the religion that absorbed me as a young adult, and still interests me today. I thought it was quite powerful and moving.

I enjoyed it and thought it very even-handed -- neither side should get upset, in my opinion. Some other rambling thoughts:

1. the BYU ballroom dancers part was very odd;

2. the discussion of the red hew to the desert landscape as a contributing factor to MMM was also odd;

3. Terryl Givens sounded like a woman whenever they didn't show his face;

4. I was surprised at how restrained Will Bagley was (he sure didn't come across as an anti);

5. Glen Leonard came across as mousy, but I admired his admission that BY told Indian leaders to take emigrant cattle (which is exactly what Dimick Huntington's journal entry said concerning the Fancher party); I disagree with Leonard's claim that BY did not "condone" the massacre -- BY's words at the meadows when the Carlton Cairn was destroyed suggest otherwise; and

6. the narrator always referred to modern-day polygamists as "Mormon fundamentalists," despite GBH's adamant statement to the contrary.

Overall, I thought it was a good show, and I'm looking forward to Part 2 tonight.

EDITED TO ADD:

The best irony of the night: did anyone else notice that the final words (in song) in last night's segment were about Heavenly Mother? ;)
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I saw the last hour of it last night and will watch tonight. OVerall, for a documentary by non LDS I thought it was fair. es they focsued on some of the more negative aspects of it. But even on MMM they ha Will Bagley saying he was convinced Brigham ordrered it but two others saying that they did not think he did.
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It's interesting reading the pbs message board site. You can really get a feel for the difference between chapel Mormons vs. internet Mormons.

Couple questions: When was the WOW implemented? Wasn't it in the early 1900's? I noticed the fundamentalist family was drinking wine at dinner. I'm assuming the fundamentalists broke away from the church before the WOW?

Next question: How many people died at Haun's Mill? How many died at Mountain Meadows? Some people are saying how PBS should have spent at least as much time on HM as they did on MMM.

Also, I'm hoping tonights episode will get into the temple, masonry, etc. From the preview, it sounded like it. I guess we'll see...
WK: "Joseph Smith asserted that the Book of Mormon peoples were the original inhabitants of the americas"
Will Schryver: "No, he didn’t." 3/19/08
Still waiting for Will to back this up...
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Who Knows wrote:How many people died at Haun's Mill? How many died at Mountain Meadows? Some people are saying how PBS should have spent at least as much time on HM as they did on MMM.

Haun's Mill -- 17 killed

VS.

Mountain Meadows -- 120 killed

Did Haun's Mill get more or less than 14% of the time the MMM received? ;)
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"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."

-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
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Rollo Tomasi wrote:
Who Knows wrote:How many people died at Haun's Mill? How many died at Mountain Meadows? Some people are saying how PBS should have spent at least as much time on HM as they did on MMM.

Haun's Mill -- 17 killed

VS.

Moutain Meadows -- 120 killed

Did Haun's Mill get more or less than 14% of the time the MMM received? ;)


Sounds like the time they gave to each was about right then.
WK: "Joseph Smith asserted that the Book of Mormon peoples were the original inhabitants of the americas"
Will Schryver: "No, he didn’t." 3/19/08
Still waiting for Will to back this up...
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Can I just say that I agree 100% with what this guy on the Discussion Board for PBS wrote:

As a lifetime active member of the LDS Church, I have to say that this documentary is pretty close to the truth. I served a mission, married in the temple etc., but I keep a secret in my heart. It is that I don't ask and don't question what I know to be wrong. Just do some google searching and pray to know the truth and you'll see this documentary is more than fair with our very questionable history. Much of our own history has been kept hidden due to its error. That is why this program is such a shock to LDS folks. Sorry to say, it may be the first time your hearing it because no-one talks about it.

Joseph Smith would be in jail for being a pedophile and rapist if he lived today. Either way it's a pretty good place to raise children so that's why I go. I don't believe it's the only way to heaven and I am sure that the celestial marriage covenant is simply a spin on polygamy. Regardless, I love my wife and family and am sure God knows my heart.

Steve Anderson
Long Beach, CA

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liz3564 wrote:Can I just say that I agree 100% with what this guy on the Discussion Board for PBS wrote:

As a lifetime active member of the LDS Church, I have to say that this documentary is pretty close to the truth. I served a mission, married in the temple etc., but I keep a secret in my heart. It is that I don't ask and don't question what I know to be wrong. Just do some google searching and pray to know the truth and you'll see this documentary is more than fair with our very questionable history. Much of our own history has been kept hidden due to its error. That is why this program is such a shock to LDS folks. Sorry to say, it may be the first time your hearing it because no-one talks about it.

Joseph Smith would be in jail for being a pedophile and rapist if he lived today. Either way it's a pretty good place to raise children so that's why I go. I don't believe it's the only way to heaven and I am sure that the celestial marriage covenant is simply a spin on polygamy. Regardless, I love my wife and family and am sure God knows my heart.

Steve Anderson
Long Beach, CA



We should invite him here.
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