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_richardMdBorn
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Harmony Your job (as is mine and everyone else's) is to love your neighbor, nothing more, nothing less. That means you don't get to comment about his/her homosexuality at all. It's not your job to judge the sinfulness or lack thereof of your neighbor; check your commandments. You've overstepped your stewardship by commenting on your neighbor's sexuality at all.


GIMR AMEN!
Neither Harmony nor GIMR appear to know the New Testament very well
1It is actually reported that there is immorality among you, and immorality of such a kind as does not exist even among the Gentiles, that someone has his father's wife.
2You have become arrogant and have not mourned instead, so that the one who had done this deed would be removed from your midst.
3For I, on my part, though absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged him who has so committed this, as though I were present.
4In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are assembled, and I with you in spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus,
5I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
6Your boasting is not good Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough?
7Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed.
I Cor 5 – Paul calls on them to do precisely what Harmony, with GIMR’s agreement, said should not be done. Of course, the Corinthians went to far, as was their wont, and Paul in 2 Cor 2:5-11 wrote that repentant sinners should be forgiven and comforted. That is true of homosexuals and other sinners. But it does the homosexual great harm to falsely teach that it is not a sin.

I’m still waiting for GIMR’s response to my original question.
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Richard, YOU ARE NOT GOD!!! Do I need to say it in another language?

JUDGE NOT, LEST YE BE JUDGED!!!

That's in the Bible too!

Clean your own house, there's this slight odor of self-righteousness about it.
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richardMdBorn wrote:
Harmony Your job (as is mine and everyone else's) is to love your neighbor, nothing more, nothing less. That means you don't get to comment about his/her homosexuality at all. It's not your job to judge the sinfulness or lack thereof of your neighbor; check your commandments. You've overstepped your stewardship by commenting on your neighbor's sexuality at all.


GIMR AMEN!
Neither Harmony nor GIMR appear to know the New Testament very well
1It is actually reported that there is immorality among you, and immorality of such a kind as does not exist even among the Gentiles, that someone has his father's wife.
2You have become arrogant and have not mourned instead, so that the one who had done this deed would be removed from your midst.
3For I, on my part, though absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged him who has so committed this, as though I were present.
4In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are assembled, and I with you in spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus,
5I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
6Your boasting is not good Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough?
7Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed.
I Cor 5 – Paul calls on them to do precisely what Harmony, with GIMR’s agreement, said should not be done. Of course, the Corinthians went to far, as was their wont, and Paul in 2 Cor 2:5-11 wrote that repentant sinners should be forgiven and comforted. That is true of homosexuals and other sinners. But it does the homosexual great harm to falsely teach that it is not a sin.

I’m still waiting for GIMR’s response to my original question.


I answered you, I just didn't give you the answer that made you feel important.

I love your Churchianity.
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See, folks like Richard are exactly why many don't want to call themselves Christian, and why I refused to for so long.

Christianity isn't supposed to be about telling others what to do. One of the most serious things Paul says is "watch me". That's in Philippians 3:17. Richard, unless your life is so spotless that you can say that, you need to sit down and be quiet. I prefer an authentic faith over an authoritative one.

Richard, you can quote the New Testament (so can most fundies and legalists), but are you telling me that science is to be ignored? Can you scientifically prove that being gay is a choice? Or are you just thumping that Bible?
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GIMR wrote:Richard, YOU ARE NOT GOD!!! Do I need to say it in another language?

JUDGE NOT, LEST YE BE JUDGED!!!

That's in the Bible too!

Clean your own house, there's this slight odor of self-righteousness about it.
I don't claim to be God. I'm citing the New Testament. Note that I didn't start this thread. I'm responding to Roger. And you're the one who made the crack about fundamentalists not being to respond to your comments about the silence of Jesus on the subject. I asked you a question and you appear to be running away from it. If there's any odor of self righteousness, it's coming from you not me.
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GIMR wrote:See, folks like Richard are exactly why many don't want to call themselves Christian, and why I refused to for so long.

Christianity isn't supposed to be about telling others what to do. One of the most serious things Paul says is "watch me". That's in Philippians 3:17. Richard, unless your life is so spotless that you can say that, you need to sit down and be quiet. I prefer an authentic faith over an authoritative one.

Richard, you can quote the New Testament (so can most fundies and legalists), but are you telling me that science is to be ignored? Can you scientifically prove that being gay is a choice? Or are you just thumping that Bible?
Throwing insults is generally a sign that you're losing the argument.
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I think that what is being implied is not to condemn others. We have to judge, and if I see two guys kissing each other on the doorstep and one gives the other a pat on the rear as hes going to his car, its a safe bet that these guys arent exactly on the road to salvation.

Am I going to make myself a picket sign and take a bullhorn and march in front of their house damning them to hell? No

But Im not going to allow one of them to be my kids school teacher, and I'm not going to invite them over for a bar-b-q either.

I don't have the right to judge the person, but I do have a right to judge their actions against what I know to be a true principle. And until signs of repentance I condemn the actions.
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. - Plato
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richardMdBorn wrote:
GIMR wrote:See, folks like Richard are exactly why many don't want to call themselves Christian, and why I refused to for so long.

Christianity isn't supposed to be about telling others what to do. One of the most serious things Paul says is "watch me". That's in Philippians 3:17. Richard, unless your life is so spotless that you can say that, you need to sit down and be quiet. I prefer an authentic faith over an authoritative one.

Richard, you can quote the New Testament (so can most fundies and legalists), but are you telling me that science is to be ignored? Can you scientifically prove that being gay is a choice? Or are you just thumping that Bible?
Throwing insults is generally a sign that you're losing the argument.


LOL! It's pathetic that you feel the need to have one.
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Gazelam wrote:I think that what is being implied is not to condemn others. We have to judge, and if I see two guys kissing each other on the doorstep and one gives the other a pat on the rear as he's going to his car, its a safe bet that these guys arent exactly on the road to salvation.

Am I going to make myself a picket sign and take a bullhorn and march in front of their house damning them to hell? No

But I'm not going to allow one of them to be my kids school teacher, and I'm not going to invite them over for a bar-b-q either.

I don't have the right to judge the person, but I do have a right to judge their actions against what I know to be a true principle. And until signs of repentance I condemn the actions.


Gaz, I'll give you my life savings if you can unequivocably prove your truth to be true.

No, you do not have a right to judge their actions against what you know to be true, unless you surrender your life to the same judgement from others. If you're open to that, judge on. But if not, then beware.

Richard, Paul lived such a life that he could say "watch my example". My pastor was right, unless you can say that in all seriousness when using your Christianity to judge the world, then you need to go back to the drawing board, slim.

*shakes head*

I personally am fully aware of the reject sticker on my forehead, and the fact that I believe only God can pull it off. Therefore, it takes a great deal these days to raise my "righteous indignation". Live your life. Face the consequences. Learn, or die. Simple.
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Gaz, I'll give you my life savings if you can unequivocably prove your truth to be true.



And why were you baptised? Why did you go to the Temple?
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. - Plato
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