Atheists who believe in moral truth must be nihilists.

[_Sam Harris]

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You're kidding, right? I honestly can't tell. In any case, I was saying you don't understand what is and is not the fallacy of ad hominem and you keep wrongly calling things ad hominem that are not.

No, for once I am serious. You keep repeating yourself. No one has understood you, you're persecuted, all atheists have issues. And I have mental problems.

Did I miss anything?

Oh!

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the person", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument by attacking or appealing to the person making the argument, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument.

Let's see...where do we start? Your initial ad hominem was an assumption about how people here would react not only to the title of your rediculous thread, but you yourself. The second was an assumption about my mental state. It goes on and on when you accuse people of hate, predict their motives, and claim they have no grasp of the English language.

MAD misses you little lark! Fly away home!

[_Sam Harris]

No, my integrity has been questioned. For instance, it has been implied that I intentionally said GIMR had a mental health issue.

LOL, your fingers moved on their own accord! What was that, the holy spirit?

[_Sam Harris]

Seems to me that this is an empirical question. Is there any good (e.g., non-anecdotal) empirical evidence to suggest that atheists are systematically less moral than believers (or vice versa)?

Also, because some prominent atheist says something is by no means representative of atheists in general. I am, for example, an atheist, and I disagree strongly with this guy's arguments.

Why is this guy's opinion more valid than mine?

Because This Little Light of Ours wants it to be. How dare you ask?

[_Runtu]

Seems to me that this is an empirical question. Is there any good (e.g., non-anecdotal) empirical evidence to suggest that atheists are systematically less moral than believers (or vice versa)?

Also, because some prominent atheist says something is by no means representative of atheists in general. I am, for example, an atheist, and I disagree strongly with this guy's arguments.

Why is this guy's opinion more valid than mine?

Because This Little Light of Ours wants it to be. How dare you ask?

OK, enough is enough. I'm tired of all the back and forth. Life's too short for all this bickering.

[_Bond...James Bond]

Thinks are busy today....who's the newb?

[_Runtu]

Thinks are busy today....who's the newb?

I dunno, but he/she certainly woke everyone up this afternoon. LOL

[_Bond...James Bond]

Thinks are busy today....who's the newb?

I dunno, but he/she certainly woke everyone up this afternoon. LOL

I'll say....leave the board for a few hours and several hundred posts show up.....and no one called me to get in on the fun! WTF?

[Guest]

Seems to me that this is an empirical question. Is there any good (e.g., non-anecdotal) empirical evidence to suggest that atheists are systematically less moral than believers (or vice versa)?

This question does not at all concern whether atheists are more or less moral than believers. It concerns whether certain positions logically entail other positions. Whether or not atheists live the implications of their beliefs is, in fact, a separate question. In the very article in question, Smith basically admits to deluding himself with the falsehood that his life has meaning. So he clearly doesn't.

Also, because some prominent atheist says something is by no means representative of atheists in general.

I never said otherwise. Did I? In fact, I listed explicitly the reason for posting reasoning, which was not this.

Why is this guy's opinion more valid than mine?

He's more learned in this subject than you are, which makes him more credible as an authority, I suppose. But that's neither here nor there. I wasn't saying he should be viewed right on the basis of his authority. I said I'd offer his argument to help prevent people from automatically dismissing it due to the perception that it is anti-atheist bigotry.

[_Runtu]

Thinks are busy today....who's the newb?

I dunno, but he/she certainly woke everyone up this afternoon. LOL

I'll say....leave the board for a few hours and several hundred posts show up.....and no one called me to get in on the fun! WTF?

Maybe he's you. ;-)

[_Sam Harris]

Seems to me that this is an empirical question. Is there any good (e.g., non-anecdotal) empirical evidence to suggest that atheists are systematically less moral than believers (or vice versa)?

Also, because some prominent atheist says something is by no means representative of atheists in general. I am, for example, an atheist, and I disagree strongly with this guy's arguments.

Why is this guy's opinion more valid than mine?

Because This Little Light of Ours wants it to be. How dare you ask?

OK, enough is enough. I'm tired of all the back and forth. Life's too short for all this bickering.

Ok, I'll be good! Only for you, Runtu. :-) But it's been so much fun!