Prayer perspective...

[_harmony]

How this bears on the topic of "Prayer Perception" I'm not quite sure??? I will say though, "your insensitive, and rude, comments re my admission of inadequacy to state my "testimony" to your satisfaction, was in itself revealing; as was your condemnation of a Spirituality that obviously You consider inferrior to what You think to be 'true' by LDS opinion.

Let me put it this way. A tribe is praying to, sacrificeing to, and worshiping a graven Idol.

Whoa! Moroni is not a graven Idol. He's gold-plated.

Is this just as worthy of salvation to you as the worship of Christ?

I'd like to see a little more worship of Christ myself, instead of worship of Joseph Smith.

[_The Nehor]

Whoa! Moroni is not a graven Idol. He's gold-plated.

Darn, I guess this means that sacrificing all those chickens after climbing the outside of the Temple will not prevent baldness, sew the button back on my shirt, return my missing jock strap and give me the wisdom to master the Force......sigh.......Mr McCluck died in vain.

[_Roger Morrison]

How this bears on the topic of "Prayer Perception" I'm not quite sure??? I will say though, "your insensitive, and rude, comments re my admission of inadequacy to state my "testimony" to your satisfaction, was in itself revealing; as was your condemnation of a Spirituality that obviously You consider inferrior to what You think to be 'true' by LDS opinion.

Let me put it this way. A tribe is praying to, sacrificeing to, and worshiping a graven Idol. Is this just as worthy of salvation to you as the worship of Christ?

Let me put it this way: You avoid honest answers of others to your questions. As well you tend to disregard questions put to you and respond with irrelevancies as above... However, i'll try to help you understand my position re "worship" as best i can: An old English term used in several contexts ie "Your Worship", paying hommage, reverence towards divine or supernatural beings...

Personally, i don't nor never did "worship" anything or anyone...except possibly, as a child, my parents. But then as Paul, "I put away childish things." The whole concept of "worship" (and Celebrity) i find repugnant. I cannot imagine "Christ" expecting worship from anyone.

As i understand the "Good News": Jesus taught humanity to be self-acceptant as individuals born worthy of ALL of "God's" grantings... by learning the truths of creation, the Universe, and how to prosper within it by living his "Two New Commandments"... Love/respect/serve the "Creator"/"God" & ALL creations/life, that non should live in peril, fear, need or injustice. Christianism, to this point in time has not taught the skills of that very well. Too much concentration on negative stuff--guilt, shame, fear, blood atonement, penance, and heavenly bliss...

In our evolution to this end, the exercise of intelligence and the power of concentration (prayer) bring material comforts and personal contentment, what ever their circumstances, to the extent of THEIR mastery of the principles of "Charity" as Paul suggested in 1 Cor. 13:1-13.

Anyone, anywhere who helps humanity draw closer to those "Christ's Ideals Of Living" ;-) is in the service of both the Creator & the Created. Don't You agree? What more can be expected? Learn and apply. The more science the greater the miracles. Warm rgards, Roger

[_Gazelam]

Worship consists in paying divine honors to a deity. This religious reverence and homage falls into two catergories - true worship and false worship, the one based on gospel truth and leading to salvation, the other consisting of an intermixture of truth and error and leading to damnation.

The Father and the Son are the objects of all true worship. "Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." (Matt. 4:10; Luke 4:8; Ex. 34:14; Mosiah 18:25; D&C 20:17-19.)

True worship presupposes a knowledge of the truth about God and his laws. Jesus told the Samaritan woman at the well: "Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews." (John 4:22) Our Lord revealed anew some of the writings of John - writings which explained how Christ himself had worked out his own salvation, finally receiving all power in heaven, and on earth - and then he said: "I give unto you these sayings that you may understand and know how to worship and know what you worship, that you may come unto the Father in my name, and in due time receive of his fulness." (D&C 93:6-20.)

Unless men know God and his laws they cannot "worship him in spirit and in truth" (John 4:24), and there is no salvation in any other kind of worship.


Can this be any more clear? Is there some other plan of salvation that men are saved by other than that revealed to Adam by the angels? Salvation is in and through the Holy Messiah and comes in no other way. All mankind must be baptised in the name of Christ if they wish to enter the Holy City and dwell with the Father.

There is no salvation in any other name.

Gaz

[_Roger Morrison]

Thanks for your efforts Gaz. It is obvious we are miles apart on our individual understanding of "The Good News". I'm sure You are happy with your readings and interpretations of "scripture". I'm pleased for You, and "pray" you, and your family will live happily in good health & spirits... Warm regards, Roger

[_harmony]

Worship consists in paying divine honors to a deity. This religious reverence and homage falls into two catergories - true worship and false worship, the one based on gospel truth and leading to salvation, the other consisting of an intermixture of truth and error and leading to damnation.

Gaz, you're viewing the world through enthocentric eyes again. Try to expand your horizons a bit, and remember that not everyone would catagorize your worship as true worship. You may be guilty of false worship, since it can be argued that your worship is not based on truth nor does it lead to salvation. Salvation is given to all who ever walked the earth. The Atonement opened the graves... all graves, not just the graves of people who agree with you. You are crosswise of the church, if you think differently.

The Father and the Son are the objects of all true worship. "Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." (Matt. 4:10; Luke 4:8; Ex. 34:14; Mosiah 18:25; D&C 20:17-19.)

God has many names. The Creator, Allah, Elohim, Jehovah, to name a few. Try to remember that God is not named Joseph Smith, though.

True worship presupposes a knowledge of the truth about God and his laws. Jesus told the Samaritan woman at the well: "Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews." (John 4:22) Our Lord revealed anew some of the writings of John - writings which explained how Christ himself had worked out his own salvation, finally receiving all power in heaven, and on earth - and then he said: "I give unto you these sayings that you may understand and know how to worship and know what you worship, that you may come unto the Father in my name, and in due time receive of his fulness." (D&C 93:6-20.)

Relying on the arm of men will cause you to go astray, Gaz. The ancients were no closer to God than we are.

Unless men know God and his laws they cannot "worship him in spirit and in truth" (John 4:24), and there is no salvation in any other kind of worship.

Well, since no one 'knows' God, I guess we're all destined to burn then.

Can this be any more clear? Is there some other plan of salvation that men are saved by other than that revealed to Adam by the angels? Salvation is in and through the Holy Messiah and comes in no other way. All mankind must be baptised in the name of Christ if they wish to enter the Holy City and dwell with the Father.

There is no salvation in any other name.

Gaz

You can't prove that, Gaz. Those are pretty strong statements for something you are not allowed to know for sure. Faith, Gaz. Have faith, and be content with it. Surety is given only to God, because only God knows.

[_Gazelam]

Salvation is given to all who ever walked the earth. The Atonement opened the graves... all graves, not just the graves of people who agree with you. You are crosswise of the church, if you think differently.

Immortality is a free gift. Ressurection. What type of body we receive in the resurrection (1 Cor, 15:35-57)

Eternal life is given through covenant only. We are saved by grace through covenants.(2 Ne. 31)