Persecuation

[_wenglund]

Christ said his followers would be hated and persecuted for his sake.

Thus, Christians of all stripes tend to view their "persecution" as evidence of their discipleship towards Christ. If they aren't really being persecuted, they will try to blow up criticism to make themselves appear the victim. LDS are no exception, as is evidenced on the MAD board. Virtually anyone who offers a criticism is immediately called an "attacker." There are attackers to be sure, but in most cases it seems it is the LDS side that insists on painting this bleak picture of humble theist verses "vapid, venomous" anti-Mormon. Every critic of the Church has been called an anti-Mormon or worse, at some point. This is because LDS need to feel persecuted because they think it says somet6hing about the truthfulness of the Church. This isn't new. I've heard this for 20 years now.

Haven't you been practicing your own form of persecution complex (as per the nearly year long weeping and wailing about being banned from MA&D, and the alleged ill-treatment you received at the hand of DCP and others)?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_dartagnan]

Haven't you been practicing your own form of persecution complex (as per the nearly year long weeping and wailing about being banned from MA&D, and the alleged ill-treatment you received at the hand of DCP and others)?

Wow, really? Then I suppose you should be able to document some of these instances of "weeping and wailing"? I mean you wouldn't want to come across as a complete idiot now would you?

Nevermind, don't answer that.

The simple fact is that Mormons depend on being persecuted. So much so that some of them don't know how to act any way other than a victim. FAIR still loves to post photos of temple protesters, just to highlight their so-called persecuted status. If you deny this fact then you're just an idiot who is hoping to pull the wool over everyone's eyes.

[_wenglund]

Haven't you been practicing your own form of persecution complex (as per the nearly year long weeping and wailing about being banned from MA&D, and the alleged ill-treatment you received at the hand of DCP and others)?

Wow, really? Then I suppose you should be able to document some of these instances of "weeping and wailing"? I mean you wouldn't want to come across as a complete idiot now would you?

You know full well that you have devoted most of your board, and one forum in particular, to your profound lament. I would supply you with links, but you banned me from your board. Remember?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_dartagnan]

The purpose of my posts on my board was to tell my side of the story regarding a slander campaign against me. That hardly constitutes a "persecution complex." It is a simple attempt to set the record straight. And of course DCP appeared on my forum and was completely unable to refute anything I said. I do not claim he has "persecuted" me anywhere on the internet. The word doesn't fit. The proper definition of "persecution complex" is: "the feeling of being persecuted especially without basis in reality." So even if we decide to grant you this very loose definition, you'd still have to demonstrate that my argument isn't based in reality. DCP was unable to demonstrate anything I said was without basis. He didn't even try because he knew I was using his own words against him. Someone with a persecution complex feels like a victim in every situation whereby criticism is offered. That can hardly be attributed to me, but describes the typical LDS attitutde towards criticism.

Virtually everyone who spends any time online in debates claims at some point or another, to have been attacked. This is because ad hominem is a common theme in polemic. However, pointing this out on occassion is hardly a "persecution complex," nor is it comparable to the institutionalized sense of victimhood that resonates through Mormonism. DCP and I were friends in the beginning. I didn't come to the plate with this attitutde that he attacks me. It took about four years before he actually did, while hiding behind a screen name "Freethinker." By contrast, Mormon apologists of the MAD stripe immediately come to the plate with a victim badge carefully sewed onto their sleeves.

But I don't expect those with learning disabilities to understand these subtle, yet important distinctions. In any event, your take on this is utterly stupid, as usual.

[_Mister Scratch]

The purpose of my posts on my board was to tell my side of the story regarding a slander campaign against me.

I doubt very much that Wade is going to bother to produce any documentation. (He seems, in fact, to avoid documentation like the plague.) On the other hand, DCP & co.'s penchant for slander, ad hominem attack, and gossipmongering has been thoroughly documented. Heck, a simple perusal of FARMS Review will reveal to all but the most knuckleheaded of readers just how far gone these folks are in terms of polemics. Face it Wade: your beloved Mopologists play dirty.

[_wenglund]

The purpose of my posts on my board was to tell my side of the story regarding a slander campaign against me. That hardly constitutes a "persecution complex." It is a simple attempt to set the record straight. And of course DCP appeared on my forum and was completely unable to refute anything I said. I do not claim he has "persecuted" me anywhere on the internet. The word doesn't fit. The proper definition of "persecution complex" is: "the feeling of being persecuted especially without basis in reality." So even if we decide to grant you this very loose definition, you'd still have to demonstrate that my argument isn't based in reality. DCP was unable to demonstrate anything I said was without basis. He didn't even try because he knew I was using his own words against him. Someone with a persecution complex feels like a victim in every situation whereby criticism is offered. That can hardly be attributed to me, but describes the typical LDS attitutde towards criticism.

Virtually everyone who spends any time online in debates claims at some point or another, to have been attacked. This is because ad hominem is a common theme in polemic. However, pointing this out on occassion is hardly a "persecution complex," nor is it comparable to the institutionalized sense of victimhood that resonates through Mormonism. DCP and I were friends in the beginning. I didn't come to the plate with this attitutde that he attacks me. It took about four years before he actually did, while hiding behind a screen name "Freethinker." By contrast, Mormon apologists of the MAD stripe immediately come to the plate with a victim badge carefully sewed onto their sleeves.

But I don't expect those with learning disabilities to understand these subtle, yet important distinctions. In any event, your take on this is utterly stupid, as usual.

I find it amusing that you would consider my "take on this" to be "utterly stupid" since I was working off YOUR insipid use of the word "persecution" in relation to MA&D participant. From what I have observed, there is no single individual at MA&D, or even for the most part the whole board collectively, who have devoted as much time and energy as you over the last year or so weeping and wailing and gnashing teeth against supposed assailants. Unlike you, they haven't devoted entire forums on their own web site to airing their personal grievances, nor embued nearly every one of their posts wherever with specific, self-serving, and profound laments. So, if anyone is having difficulty understanding supposed sublte and important distictions, and has an "utterly stupid" take on this, it is YOU.

Even with my learning disability I can clearly see this self-evident reality. So, what is your excuse. ;-)

Thanks, -Wade Englund

[_Mister Scratch]

I find it amusing that you would consider my "take on this" to be "utterly stupid" since I was working off YOUR insipid use of the word "persecution" in relation to MA&D participant. From what I have observed, there is no single individual at MA&D, or even for the most part the whole board collectively, who have devoted as much time and energy as you over the last year or so weeping and wailing and gnashing teeth against supposed assailants.

I can, and his name is Daniel C. Peterson. Honestly, Wade, there is no other person in the entire world of Mopologetics who has "weeped" and "wailed" and "gnashed teeth against supposed assailants" as DCP.

Unlike you, they haven't devoted entire forums on their own web site to airing their personal grievances, nor embued nearly every one of their posts wherever with specific, self-serving, and profound laments.

Actually, DCP maintains an "archive" of "insults" flung at him by various people. Moreover, literally every one of his posts contains a "specific, self-serving, and profound lament," since he puts those quotes in his sig line.

So, if anyone is having difficulty understanding supposed sublte and important distictions, and has an "utterly stupid" take on this, it is YOU.

Even with my learning disability I can clearly see this self-evident reality. So, what is your excuse. ;-)
Thanks, -Wade Englund

Hey, Wade---is that a mote in your eye?

[_wenglund]

Somebody has evidently lost all sense of proportion as well as their finger-nail grip on reality, and that somebody will likely think I am referring to me. ;-)

Thanks, -Wade Englund

[_Mister Scratch]

Somebody has evidently lost all sense of proportion as well as their finger-nail grip on reality, and that somebody will likely think I am referring to me. ;-)

Thanks, -Wade Englund

I don't think you've lost your grip on reality, Wade. I just think that you are myopic when it comes to seeing your own hypocrisy, or seeing the failings of your beloved Mopologetic idols.