Phelps is one hateful dude

[_Mercury]

Mercury, hate to break this to you but you've said things of at least equal insensitivity to me and others.

I guess that makes it all just dandy.

Hypocrite.

[_Yoda]

D&C 130:2

And that same sociality which exists among us here will exist among us there, only it will be coupled with eternal glory, which glory we do not now enjoy.

Apply that as you will. If the birthing and creative process is not similar to our mortal one, then what is the purpose of polygamy?

And with that in mind, and with an understanding of what it is to be God, then why should a Homosexual expect salvation? Why do they expect us to acept their lifestyle as normal? Their entire state of mind and action runs counter to the plan of salvation. They have no concept of the Father or the Son and are completly without the Spirit. If they had even the slightest hint of the light of Christ in them they would repent and do allin their power to remove theiur corrupt nature from them.

My interpretation of "the same sociality which exists among us here" is living as husband and wife. The husband and wife are partners in creating new worlds, etc. I see the birthing process as separate.

I tend to think it is a little naiive to assume that we will go through the pregnancy and delivery process in the next life. If that's the case, my first order of business as a Goddess is to come up with a better process, having been through it three times. LOL

Look at all of the technological and medical advances we (as God's children) have been able to make HERE on this CORRUPT earth.

Women used to routinely die in childbirth. That doesn't happen anymore. And things continue to evolve.

I'm one of the "pick and choose" Mormons who believes that not everyone will have to live the law of plural marriage to be exalted. In answer to your question, "What is the purpose of polygamy?" In an eternal sense, there isn't one.

There was an earthly purpose of polygamy, which was for the raising of seed. (To be honest, I don't really buy this one, either. I think there was a lot of cultural play as opposed to spiritual in polygamy being included in the scriptures to begin with, but that's for another thread.)

The raising of seed in the next life is going to be very different from this one.

Is plural marriage an accepted form of marriage to God? Yes. God is not going to break up families who followed his law on earth, but I frankly don't see it as the "norm".

[_The Nehor]

I guess that makes it all just dandy.

Hypocrite.

When did I say stuff like that to you?

[_truth dancer]

When I said I was waiting for more information I meant divine information to put the pieces together and figure out what I should be doing, if anything. Most of the information coming out right now is an examination of why some people are homosexual. That is not what I need to know.

So, Nehor, what is it you need to know?

What is it you want God to tell you?

We have a pretty good picture on why some people have homosexual tendencies.

We know how we should treat others... basically, "do unto others as you would have them do unto you," or something along this line.

What is missing?

~dancer~

[_The Nehor]

When I said I was waiting for more information I meant divine information to put the pieces together and figure out what I should be doing, if anything. Most of the information coming out right now is an examination of why some people are homosexual. That is not what I need to know.

So, Nehor, what is it you need to know?

What is it you want God to tell you?

We have a pretty good picture on why some people have homosexual tendencies.

We know how we should treat others... basically, "do unto others as you would have them do unto you," or something along this line.

What is missing?

~dancer~

Understanding. The pieces just don't fit with me yet. This is not the only issue I'm waiting on. I also don't understand mental retardation or fasting. I just don't get them yet.

I want God to lay out a vision to me as to what the trial is for, what it teaches, how it can be overcome, and show me where it fits into my worldview.

[_Blixa]

Fasting? That one seems pretty easy to explain, no? The whole concentrate on the spiritual while chastising the flesh thing is pretty standard issue in many denominations. As is the donation of the money spent as an offering to charity (the concept, not the MADwoman).

[_truth dancer]

Understanding. The pieces just don't fit with me yet. This is not the only issue I'm waiting on. I also don't understand mental retardation or fasting. I just don't get them yet.

I want God to lay out a vision to me as to what the trial is for, what it teaches, how it can be overcome, and show me where it fits into my worldview.

I'm assuming you ask these in regard to homosexuality... here you go:

1. What is the trial for?

What trial? Do you mean not be accepted by others? Being the recipient of cruel and horrific ideas, behaviors, and attitudes?

To be more clear, the reasons some with homosexual tendencies have a difficult life are probably the same as all others who have been the recipient of harmful and cruel behavior. Why do you think God is giving trials to people? Do you think abused children are given their trial by God?

2. How can homosexuality be overcome?

Same way you could turn yourself into a gay man.

3. How does homosexuality fit into your worldview?

I don't know your world view enough to tell you... what I do think is that maybe if you expand your worldview you may find the answers.

:-)

Now... it terms of mental disabilities, what is it that you do not understand. I have a child with Down Syndrome and maybe can give you some answers.

However... if you think God gave my son with Down Syndrome as a trial for him or as a trial for me you are most definitely mistaken. Having an angel in my life is as big a blessings as I could ever dream of having. My son is the most happy, loving, delightful, vibrant, life-giving soul I have ever met.

What is there to "get?"

As I said, perhaps your worldview needs expanding...

~dancer~

[_The Nehor]

Understanding. The pieces just don't fit with me yet. This is not the only issue I'm waiting on. I also don't understand mental retardation or fasting. I just don't get them yet.

I want God to lay out a vision to me as to what the trial is for, what it teaches, how it can be overcome, and show me where it fits into my worldview.

I'm assuming you ask these in regard to homosexuality... here you go:

1. What is the trial for?

What trial? Do you mean not be accepted by others? Being the recipient of cruel and horrific ideas, behaviors, and attitudes?

To be more clear, the reasons some with homosexual tendencies have a difficult life are probably the same as all others who have been the recipient of harmful and cruel behavior. Why do you think God is giving trials to people? Do you think abused children are given their trial by God?

2. How can homosexuality be overcome?

Same way you could turn yourself into a gay man.

3. How does homosexuality fit into your worldview?

I don't know your world view enough to tell you... what I do think is that maybe if you expand your worldview you may find the answers.

:-)

Now... it terms of mental disabilities, what is it that you do not understand. I have a child with Down Syndrome and maybe can give you some answers.

However... if you think God gave my son with Down Syndrome as a trial for him or as a trial for me you are most definitely mistaken. Having an angel in my life is as big a blessings as I could ever dream of having. My son is the most happy, loving, delightful, vibrant, life-giving soul I have ever met.

What is there to "get?"

As I said, perhaps your worldview needs expanding...

~dancer~

I worked in a group home for the mentally retarded for 3 years. I saw the best and the worst. I was the recipient of great kindness and love that I still remember fondly. I was also physically attacked several times. I'm trying to fit it into what rules they are under in Plan of Salvation, I don't need proof that they can have a positive (or negative) influence on others.

1. Part of the trial may be dealing with hatred. However I am convinced it is sin. I do not know however how strong the temptation is.

2. A friend of mine is the wife of a man who dealt with strong homosexual tendencies. She assures me he desires her regularly and often (more than she wants some times)

3. If expanding my worldview were as simple as willing it to be so I would do so. I've found it takes knowledge, experience, and revelation. I'm hard at work on all 3.

[_The Nehor]

Fasting? That one seems pretty easy to explain, no? The whole concentrate on the spiritual while chastising the flesh thing is pretty standard issue in many denominations. As is the donation of the money spent as an offering to charity (the concept, not the MADwoman).

It's easy to explain but I've never had it work for me. So I don't get it yet. God in my experience is a hedonist and I try to follow suit.

[_truth dancer]

I worked in a group home for the mentally retarded for 3 years. I saw the best and the worst. I was the recipient of great kindness and love that I still remember fondly. I was also physically attacked several times. I'm trying to fit it into what rules they are under in Plan of Salvation, I don't need proof that they can have a positive (or negative) influence on others.

Hmmmm sounds like we are talking about human beings. (sigh)

Ever thought maybe the "Plan of Salvation" is not quite the real story?

1. Part of the trial may be dealing with hatred. However I am convinced it is sin. I do not know however how strong the temptation is.

Trying to put a square peg in a round hole? Maybe your worldview is off?

2. A friend of mine is the wife of a man who dealt with strong homosexual tendencies. She assures me he desires her regularly and often (more than she wants some times)

Yep... human beings are different. We aren't all the same. We don't all fit into the little mold taught by some. The world may just not be black and white!

3. If expanding my worldview were as simple as willing it to be so I would do so. I've found it takes knowledge, experience, and revelation. I'm hard at work on all 3.

I agree that just willing to see things differently doesn't make it so.

My personal experience is that I tried and tried to make sense of so many things that just didn't make sense to me. I found great peace as I allowed myself to embrace my personal truth, revelation, intuition, inspiration, heart. Then the puzzle fit together for me.

Best of luck as you try to make sense of it all!

:-)

~dancer~