Should ex-Mormons continue to wear their garments?

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_Selah
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The Dude wrote:What a strange question. And some strange answers, too!

My youngest son has recently been potty trained. Sometimes he still has accidents (esp. at night), but we encourage him to wear underpants because it's a symbol of big-boyhood. It makes him proud. I guess if you still want to wear diapers after you are potty trained, that's an issue between you and your butt.


Why doesn't this place have smilies? This is great! Thanks for the giggles. :)
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Gazelam wrote:
It seems that many people who start studying the origins of the temple ceremony realize where Joseph Smith really got the ceremony (hint: it wasn't from God)


Bond, there is so much evidence for the temple ceremony outside of Mormonism its ridiculous.


Yeah....like every Masonic Lodge.

Temples everywhere:
http://farms.BYU.edu/display.php?table=insights&id=418

Adam taught the ordinances of the Temple:
http://farms.BYU.edu/display.php?table=transcripts&id=57

Temple prayer:
http://farms.BYU.edu/display.php?table=transcripts&id=59

South American Temple:
http://www.ayahuasca-shamanism.co.uk/Koricancha-2.htm

Please review some of these things before making ridiculous statements.


Honestly....why even link to Nibley? He's biased as all get out.
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Post by _Lucretia MacEvil »

harmony wrote:
liz3564 wrote:
Gazelam wrote:
The Nehor wrote:I'm beginning to think I'm one of the few LDS who doesn't consider not wearing garments day in and day out a sin (after discussing on a few boards). Hmmm, go figure.


To my knowledge the only time you shouldn't wear garments is sport activities and bathing. What are others saying?


I was also told that if you are going to a non-LDS doctor for a physical exam, you should not wear your garments. (Same reasoning as sports activities)


During mensus, so they don't get stained.


That's a new one for me!
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Selah wrote:I've been thinking about this some more and wanted to add some comments. Note to mods: if these comments put my thread into the next forum - I totally understand.

So, I took my garments off last night as an experiment. I've felt at peace about leaving my garments on because I see them as a symbol of my covenants that I plan on keeping. I also plan on keeping the WoW and things like that. (There's a blog I'm trying to write out of this but don't know how to write it respectfully enough.)

But anyways, to make a LONG story short. I've been experiencing nightmares, aches and pains, and finally mysterious multple bug bites all over the top of my back. With the exception of the nigtmares - everything is in areas that the garments cover. Finally, since I didn't know what else to try (been reading scriptures and praying) I took off the garments last night. I began to wonder - maybe God's will for is not for me to be wearing them? That's just insane that all that happened within a matter of days back to back of one another. :/


I don't believe that God is either for or against wearing garments because I don't believe in a personal God (which is a blessing in many ways, not the least of it is skipping the frustration of trying to figure out what he really wants).

I stopped wearing garments after being ex'd, and at that time I believed that it was what God wanted me to do (and I disposed of them properly by cutting out the marks). I'd have to be reminded of what all the temple covenants were in order to know if there are any that I am still keeping. I would hope that some of those covenants were about being an ordinary decent human being and not all about sex and loyalty and hot drinks (this was in 1979 and the covenants I remember were mostly violent and bizarre).
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I hated wearing the garments.

They offered no support for the boys.

I was constantly pull the sleeves up as they would show when wearing a t-shirt.

When I wore knee length shorts I would have to reach into my pockets and grab and pull them up, especially before sitting.

Bottom line is Mormons wear garments because they are TOLD to do so.
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Polygamy Porter wrote:I hated wearing the garments.

They offered no support for the boys.

I was constantly pull the sleeves up as they would show when wearing a t-shirt.

When I wore knee length shorts I would have to reach into my pockets and grab and pull them up, especially before sitting.

Bottom line is Mormons wear garments because they are TOLD to do so.


Why should there be another reason?
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Gazelam wrote:
Bond, there is so much evidence for the temple ceremony outside of Mormonism its ridiculous.

Temples everywhere:
http://farms.BYU.edu/display.php?table=insights&id=418

Adam taught the ordinances of the Temple:
http://farms.BYU.edu/display.php?table=transcripts&id=57

Temple prayer:
http://farms.BYU.edu/display.php?table=transcripts&id=59

South American Temple:
http://www.ayahuasca-shamanism.co.uk/Koricancha-2.htm

Please review some of these things before making ridiculous statements.



Fine. I looked at the last website on your list (because the first three links are to FARMS publications and therefore not exactly evidence "outside of Mormonism"), a site devoted to coverage of an Inca temple of sun worship (The cosmological temple of the Koricancha). It includes burial sites for the mummies of both male and female rulers (Kings and Queens) and rooms dedicated to the worship of the sun, the moon, the planet Venus and the pleiades.

I don't see how the existence of something that can be called a "temple"---something the definition of which would change from culture to culture, is in any way support for anything in Mormonism. This building in particular strikes me has having nothing in common with Mormon temples either in its architecture or uses. So how does this support an argument for the divinity of the Mormon temple ceremony?
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The Nehor wrote:
Polygamy Porter wrote:I hated wearing the garments.

They offered no support for the boys.

I was constantly pull the sleeves up as they would show when wearing a t-shirt.

When I wore knee length shorts I would have to reach into my pockets and grab and pull them up, especially before sitting.

Bottom line is Mormons wear garments because they are TOLD to do so.


Why should there be another reason?
Thank you Nehor for illustrating my point.
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Polygamy Porter wrote:I hated wearing the garments.

They offered no support for the boys.

I was constantly pull the sleeves up as they would show when wearing a t-shirt.

When I wore knee length shorts I would have to reach into my pockets and grab and pull them up, especially before sitting.

Bottom line is Mormons wear garments because they are TOLD to do so.


Perhaps your garments weren't the right size? :/ I actually usually enjoyed my garments and so did/does my husband. ;) We didn't wear them because we were told to do so, but because of the joy and love of Christ. It was one of the few areas legalism had not yet reached us.
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Polygamy Porter wrote:
The Nehor wrote:
Polygamy Porter wrote:I hated wearing the garments.

They offered no support for the boys.

I was constantly pull the sleeves up as they would show when wearing a t-shirt.

When I wore knee length shorts I would have to reach into my pockets and grab and pull them up, especially before sitting.

Bottom line is Mormons wear garments because they are TOLD to do so.


Why should there be another reason?
Thank you Nehor for illustrating my point.


Are you implying that's not a good reason?
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