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Blixa wrote:I don't mind the occasional snipe, its the long, never ending, back and forth, same-point-over-and-over marathons that suck the life right out of the room. Once a thread goes that way, its all over apparently.


Or they go towards something fun off topic....last time a big fight got finished it turned into a man candy thread.
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Ha! I forgot that. And I pretty much missed out on it too, since I'd given up reading that thread!
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Bond...James Bond wrote:
Blixa wrote:I don't mind the occasional snipe, its the long, never ending, back and forth, same-point-over-and-over marathons that suck the life right out of the room. Once a thread goes that way, its all over apparently.


Or they go towards something fun off topic....last time a big fight got finished it turned into a man candy thread.


Speaking of man candy....I went to see Pirates this evening. OH....MY....GOSH....IT WAS GREAT!!!!

Johnny Depp...is a god, folks!!!

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Coggins7 wrote:Pointing out what I discern to be sloppy, simplistic, incoherent, and immature thinking is, to my mind, a far cry from calling you a commie, a fascist, a bigot, or a disgusting little worm, all of which I have called you and all of which I am trying to avoid in these kinds of forums from now on. pointing out and criticizing the poor quality of arguments or thought processes is incumbent upon any serious intellectual dealing with serious questions. Insults and personal slurs irrelevant to that task or the substance of the argument are not.

All you want Scratch, is a double standard by which you get to call me names but I don't get to fire back. No go.


You know, Loran, I have reflected upon this for a while. I tried to think back, to where all of this really started, and I realize that it basically stems from two things. Firstly, it has to do the fact that I defeated you in a number of debates, from which you always "retreated" for a "cooling off period." Second, it has to do with your postings down in the Telestial Kingdom---i.e., the stuff which I have really felt was quite racist. (You have since posted other material which is racist, which was called to your [and everyone's] attention by Jersey Girl.) What I have noticed is that the adolescent stuff does not send you packing. When you are dealt with in a calm, reasonable way, you always leave in a huff. So: that alone is reason enough to end the namecalling.

But I think the real reason that I kept badgering you was on a more personal and ethical level. The fact that you simply cannot comprehend how and why this stuff is racist is beyond me, Loran. I do not get it, but it sickens me. (Yeah, yeah, go ahead and chime in with your ridiculing of my "moral high horse" stuff.) Something like six months ago, I was engaged in similar sniping with Pahoran, and while it is fun on a certain visceral level, it really does tend to go south in a hurry. I was wiser about cutting things short back then. This time around, I "indulged" for a bit too long.

In any case, the bottom line is that I do not see how I can continue interacting with someone who is not only as rude, obnoxious, and arrogant as you, but further, someone who so completely lacks a moral and ethical compass to the extent that he cannot even recognize his own racism. (And in fact tries to make excuses for it.) Believe me: I am quite ready for your de rigueur charges:
---"This is all Scratch has to offer!"
---"Such a typical, typical Leftist."
---"Move along. Nothing to see here."
---"Go ahead, dig in your heels."

None of this absolves you of your repellent racism, and indeed of many quite appalling views you apparently hold towards gays, women, and so forth (yep, let's here your usual chime, "So typically Leftist. Cannot handle opposing views. Etc. It's really no different from Pahoran's chant of, As you perfectly well know!!!. So: that's it. I just cannot, in good conscience, continue to interact with you, Loran. I hope you learn why your views are racist, and why they ought to be gotten rid of. Other than that, you join Pahoran---whose behavior put a man's life in jeopardy---on my "do not notice" list. Truly, I do not know what came over me, and cannot for the life of me figure out why I ever bothered to give you the time of day. Your racism places you so low on the totem pole of moral human beings that...well, I will leave it at that. Perhaps if you decide to apologize for your racism, we can have a conversation. Otherwise, have a nice life. Also, as Pahoran can tell you, unlike you, I can actually be held to my word.
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Mister Scratch wrote:You know, Loran, I have reflected upon this for a while. I tried to think back, to where all of this really started, and I realize that it basically stems from two things. Firstly, it has to do the fact that I defeated you in a number of debates, from which you always "retreated" for a "cooling off period." Second, it has to do with your postings down in the Telestial Kingdom---I.e., the stuff which I have really felt was quite racist. (You have since posted other material which is racist, which was called to your [and everyone's] attention by Jersey Girl.) What I have noticed is that the adolescent stuff does not send you packing. When you are dealt with in a calm, reasonable way, you always leave in a huff. So: that alone is reason enough to end the namecalling.

But I think the real reason that I kept badgering you was on a more personal and ethical level. The fact that you simply cannot comprehend how and why this stuff is racist is beyond me, Loran. I do not get it, but it sickens me. (Yeah, yeah, go ahead and chime in with your ridiculing of my "moral high horse" stuff.) Something like six months ago, I was engaged in similar sniping with Pahoran, and while it is fun on a certain visceral level, it really does tend to go south in a hurry. I was wiser about cutting things short back then. This time around, I "indulged" for a bit too long.

In any case, the bottom line is that I do not see how I can continue interacting with someone who is not only as rude, obnoxious, and arrogant as you, but further, someone who so completely lacks a moral and ethical compass to the extent that he cannot even recognize his own racism. (And in fact tries to make excuses for it.) Believe me: I am quite ready for your de rigueur charges:
---"This is all Scratch has to offer!"
---"Such a typical, typical Leftist."
---"Move along. Nothing to see here."
---"Go ahead, dig in your heels."

None of this absolves you of your repellent racism, and indeed of many quite appalling views you apparently hold towards gays, women, and so forth (yep, let's here your usual chime, "So typically Leftist. Cannot handle opposing views. Etc. It's really no different from Pahoran's chant of, As you perfectly well know!!!. So: that's it. I just cannot, in good conscience, continue to interact with you, Loran. I hope you learn why your views are racist, and why they ought to be gotten rid of. Other than that, you join Pahoran---whose behavior put a man's life in jeopardy---on my "do not notice" list. Truly, I do not know what came over me, and cannot for the life of me figure out why I ever bothered to give you the time of day. Your racism places you so low on the totem pole of moral human beings that...well, I will leave it at that. Perhaps if you decide to apologize for your racism, we can have a conversation. Otherwise, have a nice life. Also, as Pahoran can tell you, unlike you, I can actually be held to my word.


Do not use me as even a partial vehicle to take shots at Loran. When I disagree with a person, I don't rattle off a list of names in order to lend creedence to my opposition. Stand on your own, Scratch.

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Scratch: I'm surprised at you. Loran's pushing your buttons. Didn't I ever teach you anything about internet debate about religion?

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Post by _Mister Scratch »

rcrocket wrote:Scratch: I'm surprised at you. Loran's pushing your buttons. Didn't I ever teach you anything about internet debate about religion?

rcrocket


It's not so much a "pushing" of "buttons" so much as weakness on my part. Rather than simply cutting out the racist, homophobic malignancy, I continued to engage it. But, no more of that.

by the way: I am quite sure you will enjoy my latest DCP thread.
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Jersey Girl wrote:Speaking of man candy....I went to see Pirates this evening. OH....MY....GOSH....IT WAS GREAT!!!!

Johnny Depp...is a god, folks!!!

Jersey Girl


Alert, Thread Hijack and Spoiler Alert: Don't read if you don't want to know anything about the plot.

I thought Pirates 3 sucked. Very disappointing. I hated the ending. I disliked how they dispatched with Commodore Loring quickly and uncerimoniously. What's with the Calypso thing, anyway, and her "romance" with Davey Jones was hokey in the extreme. We see the Cracken dead and rotting on the beach, and nary any explanation. Too much Geoffrey Rush and not enough Johnny Depp. That scene with Sparrow and Davy Jones Locker was bizzare and, IHMO, stupid.

I loved Pirates 1 and quite liked Pirates 2, but they should have stopped at 2. This was bad, very bad.
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guy sajer wrote:Alert, Thread Hijack and Spoiler Alert: Don't read if you don't want to know anything about the plot.

I thought Pirates 3 sucked. Very disappointing. I hated the ending. I disliked how they dispatched with Commodore Loring quickly and uncerimoniously. What's with the Calypso thing, anyway, and her "romance" with Davey Jones was hokey in the extreme. We see the Cracken dead and rotting on the beach, and nary any explanation. Too much Geoffrey Rush and not enough Johnny Depp. That scene with Sparrow and Davy Jones Locker was bizzare and, IHMO, stupid.

I loved Pirates 1 and quite liked Pirates 2, but they should have stopped at 2. This was bad, very bad.


Oh no! I'll admit that the Davey Jones Locker scenes were weird...but they were intended to be surreal. You didn't like the special effects? The fight scenes? The maelstrom part? The fact that Keith Richards was in it?

Johnny Depp's cheekbones?

I loved the end! It leaves the door open to another adventure.

Drink up me hardies yo ho!

;-)

(Of course, I don't know what will become of Elizabeth ;-)
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Mister Scratch wrote:
rcrocket wrote:Scratch: I'm surprised at you. Loran's pushing your buttons. Didn't I ever teach you anything about internet debate about religion?

rcrocket


It's not so much a "pushing" of "buttons" so much as weakness on my part. Rather than simply cutting out the racist, homophobic malignancy, I continued to engage it. But, no more of that.

by the way: I am quite sure you will enjoy my latest DCP thread.



Your latest thread is too long. Sorry. I have a weakness; I do not read long posts. Whether at work or in my church assignment, it is the same forever and ever.

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