Who Knows wrote:Nehor probably wishes they were still there, for the same reasons that they put them into the ceremony in the first place (and the same reasons the masons have them) - cuz theyre kewl! Makes you feel super-duper important and extra special - because hey, you just made a top secret pact with god - and look how serious it is - if I don't keep it, I have to slash my own throat!
kewl huh?
I don't think I'm that important. Revealing the Temple Ordinances is in my experience impossible. The Apostate doesn't know what they mean. The Temple Ceremony is BORING unless you're communing with God. I notice that all the mockery of the Temple I've seen here and elsewhere is laughing at clothing, hand movements, and how much we ripped off the masons. To me that is entirely peripheral. You can't mock what the Temple means to me because you just don't know what it means to me or I how understand it.
The removed portions are the same way.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Do you also want to decapitate me for adultery, Nehor?
No. The Temple Covenants are between you and God. I'd be too afraid to mess with someone else's covenants, I can't even keep up with my own.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
The Nehor wrote:I don't think I'm that important. Revealing the Temple Ordinances is in my experience impossible. The Apostate doesn't know what they mean. The Temple Ceremony is BORING unless you're communing with God. I notice that all the mockery of the Temple I've seen here and elsewhere is laughing at clothing, hand movements, and how much we ripped off the masons. To me that is entirely peripheral. You can't mock what the Temple means to me because you just don't know what it means to me or I how understand it.
The removed portions are the same way.
I guess I never saw much communing going on in there. Most people did their communing in the celestial room after the endowment.
I went through a period where I made fun of temple ceremonies. I think I did that because I was angry. I forced myself to be comfortable with uncomfortable and frankly creepy and ghoulish stuff, and it hurt to know that I had done that for a demonstrable fraud. I'm glad the anger has passed, but it's kind of annoying to be told "well, you just didn't get it."
The Nehor wrote:Revealing the Temple Ordinances is in my experience impossible. The Apostate doesn't know what they mean. The Temple Ceremony is BORING unless you're communing with God.
Ah, the standard Mormon answer. It works for testimonies too: "You don't know what a testimony is because I have one and I can't deny it. You must never have had one. And you'll never understand what one is until you have one."
It goes back to the whole "i'm special" or "i'm unique" thing that Mormons love to tell themselves.
WK: "Joseph Smith asserted that the Book of Mormon peoples were the original inhabitants of the americas"
Will Schryver: "No, he didn’t." 3/19/08
Still waiting for Will to back this up...
The Nehor wrote:I don't think I'm that important. Revealing the Temple Ordinances is in my experience impossible. The Apostate doesn't know what they mean. The Temple Ceremony is BORING unless you're communing with God. I notice that all the mockery of the Temple I've seen here and elsewhere is laughing at clothing, hand movements, and how much we ripped off the masons. To me that is entirely peripheral. You can't mock what the Temple means to me because you just don't know what it means to me or I how understand it.
The removed portions are the same way.
I guess I never saw much communing going on in there. Most people did their communing in the celestial room after the endowment.
I went through a period where I made fun of temple ceremonies. I think I did that because I was angry. I forced myself to be comfortable with uncomfortable and frankly creepy and ghoulish stuff, and it hurt to know that I had done that for a demonstrable fraud. I'm glad the anger has passed, but it's kind of annoying to be told "well, you just didn't get it."
I'm not saying you didn't get it. I'm saying that having it doesn't mean it will stay.
I've seen this happen in my own life. There was a period of three days I had totally free and I spent the whole time in what I then felt was an exhaustive study of Isaiah. I was at a spiritual peak in my life. I 'got it'....all of it. I recorded everything I could. The Spirit was exhausting but I kept at it and finished Isaiah. Three years later on a much lower spiritual ebb I read what I wrote. It made sense still but the feeling was one of gibberish. I'm still not entirely sure what some of it means. One day I hope to reascend to that height and know it again. What I remember most was the shock of how little I remembered. I'd just re-read Flowers for Algernon at the time and thought this must be the terror Charlie felt when he realized that all his intelligence and learning was evaporating quickly.
In any case I didn't mean to offend and apologize if I did.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Runtu wrote:I guess I never saw much communing going on in there. Most people did their communing in the celestial room after the endowment.
It's because you weren't spiritually in tune. You were an apostate at heart. You just didn't get it.
Oh wait, you beat me to the punch.
WK: "Joseph Smith asserted that the Book of Mormon peoples were the original inhabitants of the americas"
Will Schryver: "No, he didn’t." 3/19/08
Still waiting for Will to back this up...
The Nehor wrote:Revealing the Temple Ordinances is in my experience impossible. The Apostate doesn't know what they mean. The Temple Ceremony is BORING unless you're communing with God.
Ah, the standard Mormon answer. It works for testimonies too: "You don't know what a testimony is because I have one and I can't deny it. You must never have had one. And you'll never understand what one is until you have one."
It goes back to the whole "I'm special" or "I'm unique" thing that Mormons love to tell themselves.
I would never tell anyone they never had one. I do believe they can be lost.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
The Nehor wrote:I've seen this happen in my own life. There was a period of three days I had totally free and I spent the whole time in what I then felt was an exhaustive study of Isaiah. I was at a spiritual peak in my life. I 'got it'....all of it. I recorded everything I could. The Spirit was exhausting but I kept at it and finished Isaiah. Three years later on a much lower spiritual ebb I read what I wrote. It made sense still but the feeling was one of gibberish. I'm still not entirely sure what some of it means. One day I hope to reascend to that height and know it again.
Try the same thing on shrooms. Write a bunch of stuff while you're high, and then try and understand it later when you're sober. I bet you'll have a similar experience.
WK: "Joseph Smith asserted that the Book of Mormon peoples were the original inhabitants of the americas"
Will Schryver: "No, he didn’t." 3/19/08
Still waiting for Will to back this up...
The Nehor wrote:Revealing the Temple Ordinances is in my experience impossible. The Apostate doesn't know what they mean. The Temple Ceremony is BORING unless you're communing with God.
Ah, the standard Mormon answer. It works for testimonies too: "You don't know what a testimony is because I have one and I can't deny it. You must never have had one. And you'll never understand what one is until you have one."
It goes back to the whole "I'm special" or "I'm unique" thing that Mormons love to tell themselves.
I would never tell anyone they never had one. I do believe they can be lost.
But what if i say it wasn't 'lost' - i just realized what it actually was?
WK: "Joseph Smith asserted that the Book of Mormon peoples were the original inhabitants of the americas"
Will Schryver: "No, he didn’t." 3/19/08
Still waiting for Will to back this up...
The Nehor wrote:I'm not saying you didn't get it. I'm saying that having it doesn't mean it will stay.
Well, I did get a little mad. Sorry to have taken it the way I did.
I've seen this happen in my own life. There was a period of three days I had totally free and I spent the whole time in what I then felt was an exhaustive study of Isaiah. I was at a spiritual peak in my life. I 'got it'....all of it. I recorded everything I could. The Spirit was exhausting but I kept at it and finished Isaiah. Three years later on a much lower spiritual ebb I read what I wrote. It made sense still but the feeling was one of gibberish. I'm still not entirely sure what some of it means. One day I hope to reascend to that height and know it again. What I remember most was the shock of how little I remembered. I'd just re-read Flowers for Algernon at the time and thought this must be the terror Charlie felt when he realized that all his intelligence and learning was evaporating quickly.
You know, people in and out of the church have these moments of clarity that may or may not have anything to do with the spirit.
In any case I didn't mean to offend and apologize if I did.