Childhood obesity in Zion

[_moksha]

I saw 2 beds in the show......you can't prove anything about Lucy :)

That would throw the existance of Little Ricky into question.

Or I'm his daddy ;)

Then Lucy really does have some 'splaining to do. Aye yi yi!

[_barrelomonkeys]

I remember when I lived outside of DC there was PE required each year for graduation. When I moved to the South you only were required to take PE for half a year one time during the four years of HS. Needless to say the kids were definitely chubbier in the South.

I think games are a good way to get kids to move though. Just make them warm up ahead of time. I know all of my kids love sports and it's worth it to them to run the laps or do the training so they can participate in the sport. I know when I swam I hated the early mornings and all of the pushups, crunches, etc... but it was worth it to be a part of the team. Make it fun for them and more kids will participate.

Mr. Coffee, I agree with the weight training! But when you make it so harsh for the kids you'll have the smart ass kids that will refuse to dress out and participate. I walked laps all through high school.

[_Mr. Coffee]

I don't think it's the state's job to step in for idiot parents at that level.

If it isn't, then who else can we expect to look after the public welfare? If the idiot parents can't or won't then we should just sit back and let a good chunk of the current generation and next however many it takes before society wakes it's ass up go to seed?

No, you see a problem, you fix it. If it can't be fixed at the individual level, you work your way up the command structure until you reach a point where you can effect the necessary changes.


On a side note, some of this is the fault of the media backlash against certain body images. The last decade or so I've been listening to people wonk about how the media often portrays the wrong sort of body image (especially for females). To a certain extent I agree. Looking like a rail thin underfed human clothes hanger (Kate Moss much?) is unhealthy. But somehow, someone out there took this to mean that ANY body image is positive, including being a lardass. people who think like this need to get quarterdecked until I throw up.

But I digress...

Plus that kind of training would work for a while but eventually the best way to get people fit is to let them find something they enjoy, not enforce requirements.

See, that's just the thing. You can make that sort of training fun. A big part of that is not making it routein. Don't do calesthenics every day, switch off with weight training or some sort of sport that involves running (soccor much?). Or maybe design a half decient confidence course for them to run, jump, swing, and climb over. There's all manner of things you can do to make it fun and it's pretty much just limited by the imagination of the coach and the funding provided for the class.

And even if it isn't fun, part of the solution lays in properly motivating kids until they see being physically fit as an attainable and desirable goal. Also, by enfircing a standard, you give them a minimum standard (Goal) to attain.

You'll also note I set the standard pretty damned low. No offense, but if you can't knock out 40 push-ups, 40 sit-ups, and run a mile in under 9 minutes, barring some sort of medical condition that prevents it, you seriously need to put down the cheetos and think about exercising more often. I can do triple that number of push-ups in two minutes, two and a half times that number of sit-ups in two minutes, and I run a mile flat out in less than 6 minutes and I'm 38.

Pretty damned sad, but I can out PT most of the "atheletes" at my sons' high school (including the coaching staff), nevermind those sad sacks in the "anime club".

But when you make it so harsh for the kids you'll have the smart ass kids that will refuse to dress out and participate.

Never under estimate the power of positive/negitive reinforcement and peer pressure... Motivation is the key and under my plan we WILL find a way to motivate you. And if all else fails, the non-hackers and quitters can enjoy a nice big F-for-Failure on their next report card and get laughed at by their peers.



Ok, another thing I'd like to add to the "Coffee Physical Fitness Education Plan". Health class. No, not some boring class where you watch some silly arsed propaganda flicks from the 1950's and learn about how boys have penises and girls have vaginas.

I mean a real health class where you teach them about nutrition, human physiology, and show them how to properly maintain their bodies. For added fun, made the PE coach teach the class (This way someone who is actually in decient physical shape can teach the course and there by provide a positive example).

[_barrelomonkeys]

Never under estimate the power of positive/negitive reinforcement and peer pressure... Motivation is the key and under my plan we WILL find a way to motivate you. And if all else fails, the non-hackers and quitters can enjoy a nice big F-for-Failure on their next report card and get laughed at by their peers.

I know all about positive and negative reinforcement. I am in the business of helping children with behavior and emotional problems in our public schools. I know that force doesn't work with these kids.

I was one of those kids. I was one of those girls that your mother would have clucked her tongue at. You would have felt dirty and bad just looking at me.

I think with those kind of kids you have to be pretty savvy and manipulate them to some point. Having them laughed at isn't going to help the matter. But I do understand your point with most kids. It's just not really as simple as one size fits all though.

I think if weight training was introduced that would help lots of adults and kids. I think most women try to steer clear of it. That's unfortunate, it's really one of the best ways to get a smokin bod!

[_Mr. Coffee]

I know all about positive and negative reinforcement. I am in the business of helping children with behavior and emotional problems in our public schools. I know that force doesn't work with these kids.

And part of the solution is figuring outr what will motivate such kids. That's where people like yourself will come in handy.

I think with those kind of kids you have to be pretty savvy and manipulate them to some point. Having them laughed at isn't going to help the matter. But I do understand your point with most kids. It's just not really as simple as one size fits all though.

Exactly. You have to get into their head and figure out how to make them work for you. Something I learned in the Corps is the best way to get an underling to follow an order is to make them think the order was their idea to begin with. It's one of the definitions of leadership, actual.

I think if weight training was introduced that would help lots of adults and kids. I think most women try to steer clear of it. That's unfortunate, it's really one of the best ways to get a smokin bod!

Weight training is probably the only way to seriously achieve that toned hardbody look. Not the rail thin "Kate Moss" look, but that well-defined curvy muclse like Linda Hamilton had in T2.


True Story...

I once dated the hardest of hardbodied women, a female USMC Dirll Instructor. Pretty face, but sweet Zombie Jesus did that woman have a rock hard physique with curves in alllllllllllll the right places. This was during a time when I was between units and was playing weapons instructor at PI for a few months.

Anyways, I was hanging around the desk at reception jaw jacking with a buddy of mine who'd managed to earn himself a campaign cover (that the "smokey-the-bear" hat that DIs wear) when this five foot, nine inch tall, leggy blond female marine DI walks by. My bud tells me she's been eye-balling me the whole time I'd been hanging about, and I shrug and give him the "all the ladies love me" line.

Next thing I know I get a tap on the shoulder. I turn around and there she is, feet spread shoulder width, back ramrod straigh, and hands on her hips looking like she's about to chalenge me to single combat or something. Then in a voice that sounded like someone had been gargling broken glass and bourbon she asks me, "Sergeant, what are you doing tonight?"

"Nothing that I'm aware of, Drill Instructor Staff Sergeant," I say, coming to at ease as I was addressing a senior NCO. I am respectful of higher ranks, if nothing else.

"Wrong. Tonight you will pick me up at 1830. You will bring flowers. Don't bother with chocolates. We will go have dinner and drinks at 1930 until 2100. At 2100 we will see a movie. After the movie, we'll see what happens."

I was flat out floored. Fine looking woman like this had just told me we were going on a date and by the way she made it sound, if I said no she'd probably kick my ass up around my shoulders. Way this woman was put together and the sheer aura of confidence she had, I'd have given her even odds that she could have done it too.

"Message recieved, Drill Instructor Staff Sergeant. Dust off at 1830."

She handed me her number and directions to her home and the next couple of months was one of the more interesting relationships I've been a part of. We ended up breaking things off as good friends when I got my orders to report to Pendleton. We still keep in touch to this day.

Dating in the Marine Corps can be interesting to say the least.

[_barrelomonkeys]

I know all about positive and negative reinforcement. I am in the business of helping children with behavior and emotional problems in our public schools. I know that force doesn't work with these kids.

And part of the solution is figuring outr what will motivate such kids. That's where people like yourself will come in handy.

I think with those kind of kids you have to be pretty savvy and manipulate them to some point. Having them laughed at isn't going to help the matter. But I do understand your point with most kids. It's just not really as simple as one size fits all though.

Exactly. You have to get into their head and figure out how to make them work for you. Something I learned in the Corps is the best way to get an underling to follow an order is to make them think the order was their idea to begin with. It's one of the definitions of leadership, actual.

I think if weight training was introduced that would help lots of adults and kids. I think most women try to steer clear of it. That's unfortunate, it's really one of the best ways to get a smokin bod!

Weight training is probably the only way to seriously achieve that toned hardbody look. Not the rail thin "Kate Moss" look, but that well-defined curvy muclse like Linda Hamilton had in T2.


True Story...

I once dated the hardest of hardbodied women, a female USMC Dirll Instructor. Pretty face, but sweet Zombie Jesus did that woman have a rock hard physique with curves in alllllllllllll the right places. This was during a time when I was between units and was playing weapons instructor at PI for a few months.

Anyways, I was hanging around the desk at reception jaw jacking with a buddy of mine who'd managed to earn himself a campaign cover (that the "smokey-the-bear" hat that DIs wear) when this five foot, nine inch tall, leggy blond female marine DI walks by. My bud tells me she's been eye-balling me the whole time I'd been hanging about, and I shrug and give him the "all the ladies love me" line.

Next thing I know I get a tap on the shoulder. I turn around and there she is, feet spread shoulder width, back ramrod straigh, and hands on her hips looking like she's about to chalenge me to single combat or something. Then in a voice that sounded like someone had been gargling broken glass and bourbon she asks me, "Sergeant, what are you doing tonight?"

"Nothing that I'm aware of, Drill Instructor Staff Sergeant," I say, coming to at ease as I was addressing a senior NCO. I am respectful of higher ranks, if nothing else.

"Wrong. Tonight you will pick me up at 1830. You will bring flowers. Don't bother with chocolates. We will go have dinner and drinks at 1930 until 2100. At 2100 we will see a movie. After the movie, we'll see what happens."

I was flat out floored. Fine looking woman like this had just told me we were going on a date and by the way she made it sound, if I said no she'd probably kick my ass up around my shoulders. Way this woman was put together and the sheer aura of confidence she had, I'd have given her even odds that she could have done it too.

"Message recieved, Drill Instructor Staff Sergeant. Dust off at 1830."

She handed me her number and directions to her home and the next couple of months was one of the more interesting relationships I've been a part of. We ended up breaking things off as good friends when I got my orders to report to Pendleton. We still keep in touch to this day.

Dating in the Marine Corps can be interesting to say the least.

I think I've read some of your work before in the forum section of my favorite mag.

[_Bond...James Bond]

True Story...

I once dated the hardest of hardbodied women, a female USMC Dirll Instructor. Pretty face, but sweet Zombie Jesus did that woman have a rock hard physique with curves in alllllllllllll the right places. This was during a time when I was between units and was playing weapons instructor at PI for a few months.

Anyways, I was hanging around the desk at reception jaw jacking with a buddy of mine who'd managed to earn himself a campaign cover (that the "smokey-the-bear" hat that DIs wear) when this five foot, nine inch tall, leggy blond female marine DI walks by. My bud tells me she's been eye-balling me the whole time I'd been hanging about, and I shrug and give him the "all the ladies love me" line.

Next thing I know I get a tap on the shoulder. I turn around and there she is, feet spread shoulder width, back ramrod straigh, and hands on her hips looking like she's about to chalenge me to single combat or something. Then in a voice that sounded like someone had been gargling broken glass and bourbon she asks me, "Sergeant, what are you doing tonight?"

"Nothing that I'm aware of, Drill Instructor Staff Sergeant," I say, coming to at ease as I was addressing a senior NCO. I am respectful of higher ranks, if nothing else.

"Wrong. Tonight you will pick me up at 1830. You will bring flowers. Don't bother with chocolates. We will go have dinner and drinks at 1930 until 2100. At 2100 we will see a movie. After the movie, we'll see what happens."

I was flat out floored. Fine looking woman like this had just told me we were going on a date and by the way she made it sound, if I said no she'd probably kick my ass up around my shoulders. Way this woman was put together and the sheer aura of confidence she had, I'd have given her even odds that she could have done it too.

"Message recieved, Drill Instructor Staff Sergeant. Dust off at 1830."

She handed me her number and directions to her home and the next couple of months was one of the more interesting relationships I've been a part of. We ended up breaking things off as good friends when I got my orders to report to Pendleton. We still keep in touch to this day.

Dating in the Marine Corps can be interesting to say the least.

I'm usually alright with being told what to do in a relationship, but damn. That's hardcore awesome. I think I'd be afraid as heck though......she probably has bigger balls than I do.

[_Mr. Coffee]

I think I've read some of your work before in the forum section of my favorite mag.

One time after a patrol in Bosnia I began an AAR with "Dear Penthouse, you'll never believe what happened today..." For some reason someone in the BN S2 shop got their panies in a twist over that as I got my backside chewed over it.

[_A Light in the Darkness]

This thread is a fascinating window into the mindset of Anti-Mormonism. The data shows that Utah, a state with a high population of LDS, have a lower childhood obesity rate than the national average. Yet this is taken to be a knock against the LDS Church? How? Well, because there exists at least some children in Utah who are obese. You see, unless all Mormons are perfect, this shows the LDS faith crippled in some way. Obviously, no one with even the most basic grasp of prophetic teachings or scripture would conclude that they teach that Mormons will be perfect in all that they do. Quite the opposite, as the gospel is built upon contrition, forgiveness, and personal development through faith in the Lord. So in order to satisfy the need to attack the LDS faith, one must hold it to a standard that is a comical strawman for the actual beliefs of its thoughtful members. It betrays a hopelessly naïve fundamentalist viewpoint of the critic. Perhaps that's what made them so susceptible to rejection of God in the first place. I know I would reject such a easily refuted faith too. Then, later, more antimormons chime in to reveal a deeply authoritarian mindset where society is likened to a chain of command in the marine corps. Methinks some of the opposition to the insights of board mainstays like Juliann and Wade is in how the truth burns like rubbing alcohol on a wound.

[_Mr. Coffee]

Blah blah blah persecution complex blah blah blah.

Other than Port, can ytou show anyone in this thread that was actually crictical of the LDS Church or blamed the LDS Church for obesity in Utah? No? Then shut up, Socko.