What is the Curse of Cain?

[_Mercury]

Well, I say, that as long as Mormons are 100% willing to participate in and support interracial marriages, they can't be accused of being racists. Ya just can't do that.

Only people who discriminate primarily o n the basis of race on issues of universal social significance like slavery, (full) church membership, and marriage can rightly be suspected of harboring racists sentiments. Even if they weren't racist to begin with, institutional requirements to treat races differently will develop personal discrimination. It may not be "hatred" of a race; it may be hateless discrimination. It's effect will be the same.

Haha!!! Your joking, right?

hateless discrimination

Don't know there was such a thing. Isn't that an Oxymoron?

[_ajax18]

http://www.ldsgenesisgroup.org/index.html

I'm not sure if you've seen this already GIMR, but I thought you might be interested in seeing a black Mormon who has taken these issues head on.

[_Sam Harris]

Well, I say, that as long as Mormons are 100% willing to participate in and support interracial marriages, they can't be accused of being racists. Ya just can't do that.

Only people who discriminate primarily o n the basis of race on issues of universal social significance like slavery, (full) church membership, and marriage can rightly be suspected of harboring racists sentiments. Even if they weren't racist to begin with, institutional requirements to treat races differently will develop personal discrimination. It may not be "hatred" of a race; it may be hateless discrimination. It's effect will be the same.

Can you say for sure that the church supports interracial marriages today? If so, why is it that every black female LDS that I know personally is unmarried? I was in a very large singles ward when I was LDS, and every other female of every other race in that ward dated, they pumped out marriages....even interracial ones. But the five black women had two choices: Ghana or non-member.

Did we do this to ourselves?

[_Mercury]

http://www.ldsgenesisgroup.org/index.html

I'm not sure if you've seen this already GIMR, but I thought you might be interested in seeing a black Mormon who has taken these issues head on.

Lets see what they say for themselves:

In Harlem, an African-American bishop leads his congregation in prayer. In Miami, neighbors enter a bright yellow chapel and greet each other in Haitian. In Salt Lake City, a teacher instructs her Bible class in Chinese. Meanwhile, in Florida, an entire congregation sings in American Sign Language in poetic gestures, and in California a young child gives his first talk in Sunday school in Spanish.

They are a bunch of Uncle Toms. In short, this statement does not show diversity, but hints of segregation.

Worse than that they go on to speak of what Mormons are not, not what Mormons are. After that they direct people to read a church produced PR piece. Pathetic, its a front group.

[_ajax18]

Well, I say, that as long as Mormons are 100% willing to participate in and support interracial marriages, they can't be accused of being racists. Ya just can't do that.

Only people who discriminate primarily o n the basis of race on issues of universal social significance like slavery, (full) church membership, and marriage can rightly be suspected of harboring racists sentiments. Even if they weren't racist to begin with, institutional requirements to treat races differently will develop personal discrimination. It may not be "hatred" of a race; it may be hateless discrimination. It's effect will be the same.

Can you say for sure that the church supports interracial marriages today? If so, why is it that every black female LDS that I know personally is unmarried? I was in a very large singles ward when I was LDS, and every other female of every other race in that ward dated, they pumped out marriages....even interracial ones. But the five black women had two choices: Ghana or non-member.

Did we do this to ourselves?

No you didn't do this to yourselves. It's about other individuals and what they want. They have their agency. I didn't feel like I was treated fairly by the Church during the dating process as well.

I thought Pres. Faust did point out that the brethren don't control the beating of men's and women's hearts. Marriage is about what each individual chooses. I can't really see it as a Church doctrinal issue when marriage between all races are solemized in the temple. Unless we ascribed to arranged marriages, I don't really see much more the Church could do about this. People get poor treatment from the opposite gender all the time. Unless the Church upholds them in their behavior and tells them its ok to treat people like this, I don't really see where the Brethren can be blamed for this.

[_The Nehor]

The Curse of Caine is to become Kindred, Vampires and feed on the blood of the Children of Seth for all time as wolves among the sheep hiding until the Day of Gehenna when Caine and the antedileuvian vampire elders arise to consume all their progeny and reign over an Empire of Blood for a full Millenium before Caine ascends to his dark throne and judges all his childer.

I played that game way too much as a kid :)

Haha!

Someone plays White Wolf games

Yes I do and think I'm the better for it.

[_Blixa]

Kulturkampf means of course, culture war, but the specific manner in which this is used, in English speaking countries at least, usually carries connotations of secular ideological warfare against the presence of religion in those societies.

Kulturekampf means ideological struggle in general, not secular vs. relgious squabble. It's been used most recently in the U.S. in reference to conserative attempts to wipe out what they see as liberal excess, in particular the rhetorical assault on multiculturalism, enlarging the academic canon and the entire trope of "PC crimes."

The smallpox epidemic was an accident of biology, not something carried out by whites against them. It could very well have gone the other way, but it didn't.

Except for the intentional infection via contaminated blankets, a method used more than once by both the British and the U.S. military (the letters of Lord Amherst are quite interesting in this regard).

This is only one of the many inaccuracies in your statements about early american history. All you know is anti-PC backlash revisionism. Try tearing yourself away from your neocon magazines and immerse yourself in the Western Americana collection at the Beinecke Rare Book and Manuscript Library at Yale for a while.

[_harmony]

Can you say for sure that the church supports interracial marriages today? If so, why is it that every black female LDS that I know personally is unmarried? I was in a very large singles ward when I was LDS, and every other female of every other race in that ward dated, they pumped out marriages....even interracial ones. But the five black women had two choices: Ghana or non-member.

Did we do this to ourselves?

No you didn't do this to yourselves. It's about other individuals and what they want. They have their agency. I didn't feel like I was treated fairly by the Church during the dating process as well.

I thought Pres. Faust did point out that the brethren don't control the beating of men's and women's hearts. Marriage is about what each individual chooses. I can't really see it as a Church doctrinal issue when marriage between all races are solemized in the temple. Unless we ascribed to arranged marriages, I don't really see much more the Church could do about this. People get poor treatment from the opposite gender all the time. Unless the Church upholds them in their behavior and tells them its ok to treat people like this, I don't really see where the Brethren can be blamed for this.

The church is nowhere in this equation, or at least is on the margins.

From what I can gather, borrowing from one of Jason's posts, he said that in their stake, an authority of some sort (can't remember if it was a Relief Society authority or a GA who said it) said that 1/3 of the girls who were holding out for a temple marriage were going to be disappointed. There simply aren't enough temple-worthy marriage-eligible young men to go around. Add in the attraction for blondes that seems to afflict the men and the media in this country, and what you have is a disproportionate percentage of brunettes remaining unmarried, including your friends in that ward. I have 2 daughters, one blonde, one brunette. The blonde is married; the brunette is not. Perhaps the dating practices of your friends in that ward were more a result of a media that extols the virtues of blonde hair and fair skin than a deliberate attempt to keep dark skinned, dark haired women in the bridesmaids' dresses.

[_Coggins7]

No one here hates people of other colors but yourself. And that has been pointed out plenty of times. Again, take your meds, society is starting to fear you again.

Evidence please?

[_Sethbag]

Harmony, I for one don't get the whole blonde thing either, actually. I've always been attracted primarily to brunettes. Literally every single girl I've ever been seriously infatuated or in love with has had brown or brownish black hair, going all the way back to 3rd Grade, where you encounter the first and only such girl who was blonde.