The testimony of Boyd K. Packer

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The testimony of Boyd K. Packer

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A while ago Scratch asked me regarding any testimonies the brethren had made of being a witness to the Savior. The most recent one I knew of was that of Lorenzo Snow. That has now changed.

Boyd K. Packer, “‘The Spirit Beareth Record’,” Ensign, Jun 1971, 87

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It was one year ago today, in a solemn assembly, that we had the privilege of raising our hands to sustain the authorities of the Church, much as we have done this morning. It was on that April morning that I heard my name read as one presented for your sustaining vote as a member of the Quorum of Twelve Apostles. It became my obligation to stand with those other living men who have been called as special witnesses of the Lord Jesus Christ upon the earth.

You must have wondered, as I did, why this call should come to me. It seemed accidental at times, that I was preserved in worthiness, yet there was always the constant, quiet, lingering feeling about being guided and being prepared.

It has been our privilege this morning to raise our hands to sustain the President of the Church. I count that a great privilege and special obligation, for I have a witness about him.

Some weeks before the meeting of last April, I left the office one Friday afternoon thinking of the weekend conference assignment. I waited for the elevator to come down from the fifth floor.

As the elevator doors quietly opened, there stood President Joseph Fielding Smith. There was a moment of surprise in seeing him, since his office is on a lower floor.

As I saw him framed in the doorway, there fell upon me a powerful witness—there stands the prophet of God. That sweet voice of Spirit that is akin to light, that has something to do with pure intelligence, affirmed to me that this was the prophet of God.

I need not try to define that experience to Latter-day Saints. That kind of witness is characteristic of this church. It is not something reserved to those in high office. It is a witness, not only available but vital, to every member.

As it is with the President, so it is with his counselors.

North of us in the Wasatch Range stand three mountain peaks. The poet would describe them as mighty pyramids of stone. The center one, the highest of the three, the map would tell you is Willard Peak. But the pioneers called them “The Presidency.” If you should go to Willard, look to the east, and up, way up, there stands “The Presidency.”

Thank God for the presidency. Like those peaks, they stand with nothing above them but the heavens. They need our sustaining vote. It is sometimes lonely in those lofty callings of leadership—for their calling is not to please man, but to please the Lord. God bless these three great and good men.

Occasionally during the past year I have been asked a question. Usually it comes as a curious, almost an idle, question about the qualifications to stand as a witness for Christ. The question they ask is, “Have you seen Him?”

That is a question that I have never asked of another. I have not asked that question of my brethren in the Quorum, thinking that it would be so sacred and so personal that one would have to have some special inspiration, indeed, some authorization, even to ask it.

There are some things just too sacred to discuss. We know that as it relates to the temples. In our temples, sacred ordinances are performed; sacred experiences are enjoyed. And yet we do not, because of the nature of them, discuss them outside those sacred walls.

It is not that they are secret, but they are sacred; not to be discussed, but to be harbored and to be protected and regarded with the deepest of reverence.

I have come to know what the prophet Alma meant:

“… It is given unto many to know the mysteries of God; nevertheless they are laid under a strict command that they shall not impart only according to the portion of his word which he doth grant unto the children of men, according to the heed and diligence which they give unto him.

“And therefore, he that will harden his heart, the same receiveth the lesser portion of the word; and he that will not harden his heart, to him is given the greater portion of the word, until it is given unto him to know the mysteries of God until he know them in full.” (Alma 12:9–10.)

There are those who hear testimonies borne in the Church, by those in high station and by members in the wards and branches, all using the same words—“I know that God lives; I know that Jesus is the Christ,” and come to question, “Why cannot it be said in plainer words? Why aren’t they more explicit and more descriptive? Cannot the apostles say more?”

How like the sacred experience in the temple becomes our personal testimony. It is sacred, and when we are wont to put it into words, we say it in the same way—all using the same words. The apostles declare it in the same phrases with the little Primary or Sunday School youngster. “I know that God lives and I know that Jesus is the Christ.”

We would do well not to disregard the testimonies of the prophets or of the children, for “he imparteth his words by angels unto men, yea, not only men but women also. Now this is not all; little children do have words given unto them many times which confound the wise and the learned.” (Alma 32:23.)

Some seek for a witness to be given in some new and dramatic and different way.

The bearing of a testimony is akin to a declaration of love. The romantics and poets and couples in love, from the beginning of time, have sought more impressive ways of saying it, or singing it, or writing it. They have used all of the adjectives, all of the superlatives, all manner of poetic expression. And when all is said and done, the declaration which is most powerful is the simple, three-word variety.

To one who is honestly seeking, the testimony borne in these simple phrases is enough, for it is the spirit that beareth record, not the words.

There is a power of communication as real and tangible as electricity. Man has devised the means to send images and sound through the air to be caught on an antenna and reproduced and heard and seen. This other communication may be likened to that, save it be a million times more powerful, and the witness it brings is always the truth.

There is a process by which pure intelligence can flow, by which we can come to know of a surety, nothing doubting.

I said there was a question that could not be taken lightly nor answered at all without the prompting of the Spirit. I have not asked that question of others, but I have heard them answer it—but not when they were asked. They have answered it under the prompting of the Spirit, on sacred occasions, when “the Spirit beareth record.” (D&C 1:39.)

I have heard one of my brethren declare: “I know from experiences, too sacred to relate, that Jesus is the Christ.”

I have heard another testify: “I know that God lives; I know that the Lord lives. And more than that, I know the Lord.”

It was not their words that held the meaning or the power. It was the Spirit. “… for when a man speaketh by the power of the Holy Ghost the power of the Holy Ghost carrieth it unto the hearts of the children of men.” (2 Ne. 33:1.)

I speak upon this subject in humility, with the constant feeling that I am the least in every way of those who are called to this holy office.

I have come to know that the witness does not come by seeking after signs. It comes through fasting and prayer, through activity and testing and obedience. It comes through sustaining the servants of the Lord and following them.

Karl G. Maeser was taking a group of missionaries across the Alps. As they reached a summit, he stopped. Gesturing back down the trail to some poles set in the snow to mark the way across the glacier, he said, “Brethren, there stands the Priesthood. They are just common sticks like the rest of us … but the position they hold makes them what they are to us. If we step aside from the path they mark, we are lost.” 1

The witness depends upon sustaining his servants as we have done here in sign and as we should do in action.

Now, I wonder with you why one such as I should be called to the holy apostleship. There are so many qualifications that I lack. There is so much in my effort to serve that is wanting. As I have pondered on it, I have come to only one single thing, one qualification in which there may be cause, and that is, I have that witness.

I declare to you that I know that Jesus is the Christ. I know that he lives. He was born in the meridian of time. He taught his gospel, was tried, was crucified. He rose on the third day. He was the first fruits of the resurrection. He has a body of flesh and bone. Of this I bear testimony. Of him I am a witness. In the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
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I've heard three Apostles talk about their witnesses, one of them was teaching the congregation the route towards having a similar witness.
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Post by _DonBradley »

Don't make too much of this.

The man is purposely vague about the nature of the experience. While Joseph Smith and earlier LDS leaders were willing to openly bear clear testimony of having seen Christ, Packer says that a witness is too sacred for him to clarify whether it involves seeing Christ or not.

And, for what it's worth, Steve Benson claims that Packer's 'witness' experience was something that occurred on his mission and had nothing to do with seeing Jesus.

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DonBradley wrote:Don't make too much of this.

The man is purposely vague about the nature of the experience. While Joseph Smith and earlier LDS leaders were willing to openly bear clear testimony of having seen Christ, Packer says that a witness is too sacred for him to clarify whether it involves seeing Christ or not.


One man's personal sacred experience is another man's horn to blow.

It didn't seem too sacred to a real man of God like Joseph Smith.


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As the elevator doors quietly opened, there stood President Joseph Fielding Smith. There was a moment of surprise in seeing him, since his office is on a lower floor.

As I saw him framed in the doorway, there fell upon me a powerful witness—there stands the prophet of God. That sweet voice of Spirit that is akin to light, that has something to do with pure intelligence, affirmed to me that this was the prophet of God.


This is seems much more a witness to the divinity of Joseph Fielding Smith, more than anything else....

North of us in the Wasatch Range stand three mountain peaks. The poet would describe them as mighty pyramids of stone. The center one, the highest of the three, the map would tell you is Willard Peak. But the pioneers called them “The Presidency.” If you should go to Willard, look to the east, and up, way up, there stands “The Presidency.”


I'd never heard this before, Gaz. Thanks for this folklore tidbit.
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What I don't understand is why the ancient apostles had no problems proclaiming that Jesus lived and was resurrected because they had seen him but yet today, its too special and too sacred and all we get is vague implications. I would think that would be a wonderful thing to proclaim long and loud, that you had seen God and/or Jesus.
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I find it odd that members of the church claim things the leaders do not claim... and make excuses for why the leaders are not proclaiming things they feel they should.

If a prophet does not claim to see and speak with Jesus Christ, why make the assumption he has?

If President Hinckley says he receives revelation through a still small voice, or a feeling... why claim he is just not telling the full story?

If GBH states that he does not know much about something... why claim he is not telling the truth?

Maybe the prophets today do not come out and state that they have seen Jesus Christ is because they haven't!

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The Nehor wrote:[...] one of them was teaching the congregation the route towards having a similar witness.


I assume you are referring to McConkie(?)
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Doctor Steuss wrote:
The Nehor wrote:[...] one of them was teaching the congregation the route towards having a similar witness.


I assume you are referring to McConkie(?)


No, this Apostle is still alive. He taught that as you progress in light and knowledge that light would grow brighter and brighter until the perfect day and then defined the perfect day as the day you would physically behold the Savior and described as best he could what it was like and how to also accomplish it.

I've also had a close friend who came to me crying and told me he'd received the Second Comforter and a perfect witness but said he couldn't say anything more than that. I took him out to dinner to a quiet restaurant and we had one of the most spiritual discussions of my life about sanctification. Though no details came out I believe him.

I think it might be good to note that Joseph was reluctant to discuss the First Vision a lot. When the missionaries first went forth the story began with Moroni. Joseph must have told some friends because the First Vision details were out earlier but in many cases they melded into the Moroni Story and the two were endlessly muddled. The publication of the account in the Pearl of Great Price was specifically to clear up all the confusion around the two events. Of the writings and words of Joseph Smith that I have read I can't recall him discoursing on the First Vision. I don't think he liked to discuss it openly.
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truth dancer wrote:I find it odd that members of the church claim things the leaders do not claim... and make excuses for why the leaders are not proclaiming things they feel they should.

If a prophet does not claim to see and speak with Jesus Christ, why make the assumption he has?

If President Hinckley says he receives revelation through a still small voice, or a feeling... why claim he is just not telling the full story?

If GBH states that he does not know much about something... why claim he is not telling the truth?

Maybe the prophets today do not come out and state that they have seen Jesus Christ is because they haven't!

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I believe they're proclaiming what they should. I believe his revelation comes from a still, small voice most of the time and that he is telling the truth when he says he doesn't know about something. He might have suspicians and thoughts on the subject but he's under no obligation to share those. I also believe them when they say they're ordinary men who have had a special witness of Christ.
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