The Responsibility of Church Leaders....
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barrelomonkeys wrote:gramps wrote:I'm pretty sure that most TBMs believe in a literal Adam and Eve. For gosh sakes, he lived in what we now know as Missouri.
Well good grief. Say it ain't so. I thought LDS were not fundamentalists.
They are not fundamentalists. They are the ones with the true Christianity. The same true Christianity that Adam practiced in Missouri.
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barrelomonkeys wrote:Okay. I have no idea what you are talking about.
OK. I will try again. Mormons believe that the true gospel, as Mormons practice it today, was first given to Adam. His altar is still in Missouri.
Then, there were repeated apostacies and then the Lord restored the fulness of the gospel again each time, until the last time, when it was restored through Joseph Smith. It will not leave the earth again beofre Christ returns.
I'm pretty sure that is how it goes.
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TBMs believe in a literal Adam and Eve. That is why some believe they can even trace their geneology back to
Adam. Adam and Eve are literal, historical figures (this is in the temple ceremonies).
The Book of Mormon is taught as completely true and correct because Joseph Smith didn't translate it as a conventional translator does working to transfer a text from one language to another, but he received word-for-word revelation of what was supposedly written on the plates. He did this by looking at a stone in a hat, not by looking at the plates. The alleged plates were not even supposed to be in the room oft times while he was "translating" (always behind a curtain which separated him and those who wrote down the phrases he called out). Or at least this is the way the process is described in faithful literature, who knows how the thing was really written.
This is why apologists have to prove that there aren't mistakes in it.
One recent avenue of this effort is to re-describe the translation process and suggest that it was slighlty more akin to conventional transation. But this is only one apologetic "theory" and is not the way things have been traditionally thought of, nor the way that the average TBM conceives of it.
Adam. Adam and Eve are literal, historical figures (this is in the temple ceremonies).
The Book of Mormon is taught as completely true and correct because Joseph Smith didn't translate it as a conventional translator does working to transfer a text from one language to another, but he received word-for-word revelation of what was supposedly written on the plates. He did this by looking at a stone in a hat, not by looking at the plates. The alleged plates were not even supposed to be in the room oft times while he was "translating" (always behind a curtain which separated him and those who wrote down the phrases he called out). Or at least this is the way the process is described in faithful literature, who knows how the thing was really written.
This is why apologists have to prove that there aren't mistakes in it.
One recent avenue of this effort is to re-describe the translation process and suggest that it was slighlty more akin to conventional transation. But this is only one apologetic "theory" and is not the way things have been traditionally thought of, nor the way that the average TBM conceives of it.
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barrelomonkeys wrote:I hope this isn't a hijack. Should I start a new thread? If LDS can say that not all of the Bible is inerrant do they believe the Book of Mormon is inerrant? I see these threads all the time discussing the Book of Mormon and trying to defend what it says.... I don't understand this. Do LDS believe the Bible is inerrant too?
The LDS do not make a claim for the inerrancy of any Scripture.
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The Bible was so incorrect that Smith began an "inspired" translation that took the rest of his life.
What he did "translate" shows up in footnotes in the Mormon King James version and are considered as
correct and accurate scripture.
There is a big problem here. He was so unfamiliar with the Book of Mormon that the passages
quoted from Jesus in both books word for word were re-translated correctly in the "inspired"
Bible translation.
What he did "translate" shows up in footnotes in the Mormon King James version and are considered as
correct and accurate scripture.
There is a big problem here. He was so unfamiliar with the Book of Mormon that the passages
quoted from Jesus in both books word for word were re-translated correctly in the "inspired"
Bible translation.
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Hi Nehor...
The problem is, most folks believe they do know.
They think the story they are taught is true. They are bearing their testimony about something clearly untrue and the leaders know it!
If you thought you understood something what is it you would go searching for? Why search out something in a library if you think you are being taught a truth in Sunday School?
I struggle with the idea that leaders KNOW members are misinformed because of the church and yet don't help and heal the situation.
~dancer~
This sounds like bragging but I found out much of what you seem to think people should know. I learned it because I wanted to know. I bought books, I read articles, I researched in libraries. Those who want knowledge will find it. Those who don't won't. Some of them may not need it. For some reason I do. This life is definitely not an intelligence test being given by God or we'd all be royally screwed but maybe I have a calling or some trial that this information will help me with.
The problem is, most folks believe they do know.
They think the story they are taught is true. They are bearing their testimony about something clearly untrue and the leaders know it!
If you thought you understood something what is it you would go searching for? Why search out something in a library if you think you are being taught a truth in Sunday School?
I struggle with the idea that leaders KNOW members are misinformed because of the church and yet don't help and heal the situation.
~dancer~
"The search for reality is the most dangerous of all undertakings for it destroys the world in which you live." Nisargadatta Maharaj