LDS site on Joseph Smith

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richardMdBorn wrote:
Dr. Shades wrote:Exactly, Loquacious Lurker.

Another thing: Mormons of all stripes typically demonize "anti-Mormon literature." But if I want to study up and become informed on Joseph Smith taking young teenage brides--like the apologists say I can/should--where can I find sources on that topic that AREN'T anti-Mormon?
I mentioned on ZLMB that I had two missionaries come to my door in Connecticut in 1986-7 who did not know that Joseph Smith had plural wives. Some ZLMBites expressed skepticism. But LDS web sites still dodge the issue twenty years later.
Sweet.

The leaders from 40-50 years ago set all of the traps that I lead the unwitting members into today.

The internet is a testament that the Mormon leaders are not divine. Why did god not warn Gordo back then when he hatched the plan to attempt to make the unsavory history disappear by not talking about it?

Again, I guess Elohim was out chasing another god damn lost kitten at that time.

Lost pets have killed more of god's children than god intended.
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The same reason "The Restoration" DVD "early spring" "First Vision" scene was shot in mid June when everything is green and beautiful.

Early spring in Palmyra NY is god awful ugly. Some signs of winter are still evident, lots of mud no tall grass(or even short grass, hell not even green grass) no leaves on the trees, no flowers, just the ugly tail end of winter.


Not sure what this has to do with the thread. But you are not totally correct in your weather report. Course depends what you mean by early spring. Spring lasts till June. Late March is ugly in the Northeast usuallly but mid April to early May can be quite nice.

As for the Plural Marriage thing it is because the Church does not want the highlight it, they would rather ignore it, they are rather ashamed of it and they are the most anti polygamy group around, at least as far as this life goes.
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Jason Bourne wrote:
The same reason "The Restoration" DVD "early spring" "First Vision" scene was shot in mid June when everything is green and beautiful.

Early spring in Palmyra NY is god awful ugly. Some signs of winter are still evident, lots of mud no tall grass(or even short grass, hell not even green grass) no leaves on the trees, no flowers, just the ugly tail end of winter.


Not sure what this has to do with the thread. But you are not totally correct in your weather report. Course depends what you mean by early spring. Spring lasts till June. Late March is ugly in the Northeast usuallly but mid April to early May can be quite nice.

As for the Plural Marriage thing it is because the Church does not want the highlight it, they would rather ignore it, they are rather ashamed of it and they are the most anti polygamy group around, at least as far as this life goes.
The OP was questioning why LDS Inc hides polygamy. The same reason they paint a perfect picture of the first vision... Marketing.
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Polygamy Porter wrote:The OP was questioning why LDS Inc hides polygamy. The same reason they paint a perfect picture of the first vision... Marketing.


Well you picked a bad example because spring in NY can be as I described.
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Jason Bourne wrote:Well you picked a bad example because spring in NY can be as I described.


Not early spring and not as it was depicted by LDS Inc on the DVD.

My brother spent his mission in the Rochester NY mission, he knows what early spring looks like.
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I lived in Ithaca in the mid 90's and it was awful during the Spring. Cold and miserable usually. My father is from Brooklyn and he has spoken of the bitter cold that was early Spring in New York. The snow would melt so slowly, which he remembers sloshing through as a child on his way to school.

Lookie here:

http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/mar2007 ... -16-09.asp
Days Short of Spring, Snow Storm Roars Across Northeast

NEW YORK, New York, March 16, 2007 (ENS) - Just five days before the spring equinox, a heavy winter snow storm lashed the Northeast, closing airports and roads and downing power lines from New York north to Maine.
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Here you go Jason.

Image

This photo is used by LDS Inc on the josephsmith.net website.

Download it from there:
http://www.josephsmith.net/Static%20Ima ... 4_1_HR.jpg

Read the text below the right image above:

"This is how the grove actually looks in the early spring as opposed to the greenery normally associated with the Sacred Grove"


So then, why would the Mormon leadership allow the grove to be depicted full of leaves and greenery WHEN IN FACT it was NOT?

Is this not an outright attempt to mislead?
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Jason wrote:As for the Plural Marriage thing it is because the Church does not want the highlight it, they would rather ignore it, they are rather ashamed of it and they are the most anti polygamy group around, at least as far as this life goes.


But, Jason, don't you think that the Church is doing itself a disservice in ignoring this issue?

It's part of LDS history. I think that the Church's credibility would be much stronger if they ACKNOWLEDGED plural marriage as part of the culture.

As it is, they're basically lying through the sin of omission.
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Polygamy Porter wrote:Here you go Jason.

Image

This photo is used by LDS Inc on the josephsmith.net website.

Download it from there:
http://www.josephsmith.net/Static%20Ima ... 4_1_HR.jpg

Read the text below the right image above:

"This is how the grove actually looks in the early spring as opposed to the greenery normally associated with the Sacred Grove"


So then, why would the Mormon leadership allow the grove to be depicted full of leaves and greenery WHEN IN FACT it was NOT?

Is this not an outright attempt to mislead?


Look I live in the Northeast. Not all spring are equal. Some early springs suck. This last spring March was cold and ugly and April it rained and rained and was hardly above 40 degrees. But a few years ago March was lovely, we hada garden in by mid April. treews and flowers were on bloom in April and by late April and eraly May the trees were in full leafy status. So some springs are icky and some early sprngs are nice.

And really what relavence does this have to anything?
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liz3564 wrote:But, Jason, don't you think that the Church is doing itself a disservice in ignoring this issue?

It's part of LDS history. I think that the Church's credibility would be much stronger if they ACKNOWLEDGED plural marriage as part of the culture.

As it is, they're basically lying through the sin of omission.


Yes Liz I agree. This is one og my major beefs. The way the Church treats its history and the fluffy feel good way they try to present it.
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