Why are children sealed to their parents?

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Post by _Seven »

Here is a link that might be of use. http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/children

It goes along with the idea that the sealing of children provides them with a safety net for a chance at exaltation.

Two quick comments on this.

First is that I really want to see my kids after this life, whether or not they are my kids as such or not. They may be off doing other things, but I can’t help but think I’ll still want to be around them.

The second has to do with this quote from an April 2003 conference address by President Faust:

The Prophet Joseph Smith declared—and he never taught more comforting doctrine—that the eternal sealings of faithful parents and the divine promises made to them for valiant service in the Cause of Truth, would save not only themselves, but likewise their posterity. Though some of the sheep may wander, the eye of the Shepherd is upon them, and sooner or later they will feel the tentacles of Divine Providence reaching out after them and drawing them back to the fold. Either in this life or the life to come, they will return. They will have to pay their debt to justice; they will suffer for their sins; and may tread a thorny path; but if it leads them at last, like the penitent Prodigal, to a loving and forgiving father’s heart and home, the painful experience will not have been in vain. Pray for your careless and disobedient children; hold on to them with your faith. Hope on, trust on, till you see the salvation of God.”

A principle in this statement that is often overlooked is that they must fully repent and “suffer for their sins” and “pay their debt to justice.” I recognize that now is the time “to prepare to meet God.” If the repentance of the wayward children does not happen in this life, is it still possible for the cords of the sealing to be strong enough for them yet to work out their repentance? In the Doctrine and Covenants we are told, “The dead who repent will be redeemed, through obedience to the ordinances of the house of God, and after they have paid the penalty of their transgressions, and are washed clean, shall receive a reward according to their works, for they are heirs of salvation.”

We remember that the prodigal son wasted his inheritance, and when it was all gone he came back to his father’s house. There he was welcomed back into the family, but his inheritance was spent. Mercy will not rob justice, and the sealing power of faithful parents will only claim wayward children upon the condition of their repentance and Christ’s Atonement. Repentant wayward children will enjoy salvation and all the blessings that go with it, but exaltation is much more. It must be fully earned. The question as to who will be exalted must be left to the Lord in His mercy.

I have heard this doctrine explained in this way: Our children, if they do not repent in this life, may have a chance in the life to come to serve us as ministring angels, or something of the sort–salvation, but not exaltation. The issues I’ve had to work out is–what about those who aren’t sealed to parents? Maybe that’s one reason why a sealing link is needed to weld the entire human family together. Perhaps if we repent too late, we may give up the chance for exaltation but not for service to those of our progenitors that were faithful.
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Thanks for the quote and link seven. That was helpful. Sometimes I'm sorry I even ask! There is so much to the LDS culture it's really hard to comprehend it all.
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Even among the most learned LDS/scholars, the topic of exaltation and sealing ordinance is highly debated and confusing. I can't imagine being a nevermo and trying to make sense of it all. :)
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Even worse if all of your kids pass the earth test and either become a god(your boys) or one of many wives(your girls) to some jerk.

How could we even spend any time together?

Being a god is an eternal desk job. First you must create worlds without number. Oh yeah and every moment between your god projects is devoted to taking turns on the line of wives to start cranking out those billions and billions of spirit kids. "Next time tell me I already did you! That was wasted spunk!"

If you have bum luck like Elohim, one of your oldest will not want you to have all of the glory and will persuade a good portion of your own kids to be bad...

Hopefully you will have some luck and find a good son to do virtual battle with this bad son.

Then you will have to create a hell for the ones that don't get your riddles about coming home to worship you.

Once in a while when things come to a head and all of your wives are lined up on their time-of-the-month, one little thing on one of your worlds will set you off and you will go down and kill a bunch of them just to scare the others.

Like I said, when would we have any time to hang out with our family members?

Most family reunions past a day are HELL. Why would we want this to go on for-friggin-ever?
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Why aren't there more LDS posters here? Can't a few just pop in to explain this.


Many of us are very familiar with the teachings/doctrine/beliefs of the church having spent most of our lives immersed in LDS life.

The problem is not that we can't help you because we do not know the answers, it is that the answer do not make any sense.

LDS believers, when pressed will go with the reply... God will work it all out. We must have faith. This is how God wants us to do it right now so we will obey. We don't know all the answers but this is what we know is required... etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

The truth is, it makes no sense.

As a child convert, with an agnostic father and a mother who joined the church after I, and was never sealed to my father... I believe the teaching is cruel....I was taught that I will be alone without my family in heaven because my parents were not sealed and I was not sealed to anyone. I could not even be with my siblings because we were not sealed to our parents. The dark side of families can be together forever.

Also, when a sealing cancellation of a couple occurs, the children are sealed to the mother. In other words, the sealing is broken so children are no longer sealed to the father.

One example ... I knew a woman who was married to her husband for just a few months when they discovered he had cancer and only a few months to live. After receiving advice from the leaders of the church, they were told they should get a sealing cancellation so that she could remarry and have the future husband's possible children sealed to him. If they did not have a cancellation, any children by the second husband would be given to the first because of their sealing.

PLEASE... what nonsense!

In the end this couple obeyed their leaders and prior to her husband's death their sealing was broken so her husband would be assigned a new companion in heaven and she could remarry. I think this is one of the saddest stories I have ever heard. Not only did she have her husband die, but she had to deal with the fact that they would not be together in heaven. It literally broke this woman's heart...

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Polygamy Porter wrote:Even worse if all of your kids pass the earth test and either become a god(your boys) or one of many wives(your girls) to some jerk.

How could we even spend any time together?

Being a god is an eternal desk job. First you must create worlds without number. Oh yeah and every moment between your god projects is devoted to taking turns on the line of wives to start cranking out those billions and billions of spirit kids. "Next time tell me I already did you! That was wasted spunk!"

If you have bum luck like Elohim, one of your oldest will not want you to have all of the glory and will persuade a good portion of your own kids to be bad...

Hopefully you will have some luck and find a good son to do virtual battle with this bad son.

Then you will have to create a hell for the ones that don't get your riddles about coming home to worship you.

Once in a while when things come to a head and all of your wives are lined up on their time-of-the-month, one little thing on one of your worlds will set you off and you will go down and kill a bunch of them just to scare the others.

Like I said, when would we have any time to hang out with our family members?

Most family reunions past a day are HELL. Why would we want this to go on for-friggin-ever?


I can see omnipotence would be wasted on you.
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Nehor
I can see omnipotence would be wasted on you.


It would be wasted on nearly every human, Nehor. Don't you think?
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Jersey Girl wrote:Nehor
I can see omnipotence would be wasted on you.


It would be wasted on nearly every human, Nehor. Don't you think?


True dat.
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I have a very heretical take on sealings. I think if there really is life after death, then I believe reincarnation is the only fair plan, IMHO. Not that people come back as rocks or slugs, just the idea that you have multiple mortal probations. There is no way one can learn all there is to learn to be a "God" in one lifetime. Too much to know, too little time, with an infinite amount of situations here in mortal life for one shot to do it all.

So what purpose could sealings serve? I think its meant to bind us to family members in future lifetimes, so that we meet again and have continued associations here in life. I read a book, "Many Lives, Many Masters", which kind of demonstrated this idea. The lady had very severe unexplained phobias and went to a doctor for therapy. After trying everything else, they tried hypnosis (quack alert) and she would regress to a prior lifetime and relate some traumatic event related to the current phobia. After the session, the phobia was cleared and she was fine. Anyway, they continued to do this over several months and the lady was eventually healed from her problems. Anyway, one thing that was interesting is that she stated that several people she knew would continually appear in her lifetimes- a family friend was her father once, then maybe a friend again, then a husband, etc etc.

Anyway, sounds quacky (and these people involved weren't even LDS) but I like the idea. (Book was written by Brian Weiss)

I will also echo the sentiments about the family sealings. When I think of not making it to the CK, I picture all my "little" children up there, all alone, crying "Where is daddy?" Of course, it wouldn't be like that as others have explained, but its mental picture that is supported in church that makes it a little more difficult to rock the boat so to speak.

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truth dancer wrote:
Why aren't there more LDS posters here? Can't a few just pop in to explain this.


Many of us are very familiar with the teachings/doctrine/beliefs of the church having spent most of our lives immersed in LDS life.

The problem is not that we can't help you because we do not know the answers, it is that the answer do not make any sense.

Okay, well I understand that... but I was hoping that LDS would answer in the way in which they have it thought out for themselves.

LDS believers, when pressed will go with the reply... God will work it all out. We must have faith. This is how God wants us to do it right now so we will obey. We don't know all the answers but this is what we know is required... etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

I actually am okay with that answer... as I understand that faith means you do not have certainties and will not know all the answers... for if you had that what's the use of faith? I understand that. I suppose my problem is I want those of faith to give me something other than faith, and that is not fair of me to ask that of them. I hadn't realized until I read this that is what I was doing. Not fair at all. Sorry!

The truth is, it makes no sense.


Well it doesn't make sense to me. But there is much about LDS theology that I do not understand... I've been reading quite a bit and the wiki is quite helpful but really it's all very confusing. I do not even come from a Christian background and grow doubly frustrated when people quote scripture to explain LDS beliefs... that is like speaking to me in Chinese to help me learn Thai. :D

As a child convert, with an agnostic father and a mother who joined the church after I, and was never sealed to my father... I believe the teaching is cruel....I was taught that I will be alone without my family in heaven because my parents were not sealed and I was not sealed to anyone. I could not even be with my siblings because we were not sealed to our parents. The dark side of families can be together forever.


I didn't ask this question out of personal concerns... but my step-son is sealed to his step-father and mother and my husband doesn't exactly understand how his son feels about this. It seems with modern day family dynamics it can become quite confusing for children. Although back in the early days I imagine it could become confusing as well.

Also, when a sealing cancellation of a couple occurs, the children are sealed to the mother. In other words, the sealing is broken so children are no longer sealed to the father.

One example ... I knew a woman who was married to her husband for just a few months when they discovered he had cancer and only a few months to live. After receiving advice from the leaders of the church, they were told they should get a sealing cancellation so that she could remarry and have the future husband's possible children sealed to him. If they did not have a cancellation, any children by the second husband would be given to the first because of their sealing.

PLEASE... what nonsense!

In the end this couple obeyed their leaders and prior to her husband's death their sealing was broken so her husband would be assigned a new companion in heaven and she could remarry. I think this is one of the saddest stories I have ever heard. Not only did she have her husband die, but she had to deal with the fact that they would not be together in heaven. It literally broke this woman's heart...

~dancer~


Well that is very sad. I'm sure sealings are a great relief to many people as it makes the family eternal and for others it can be of concern when you must choose. Interestingly enough I've always thought of family as eternal and heaven as a place where all friends and loves are forever together... but I have no religion that tells me that. It just "makes sense" if you will that heaven would be a place of great love and comfort and that seems the most comforting thing I can imagine. :)
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