Missionaries tell others their religion is wrong

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Re: Missionaries tell others their religion is wrong

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Mercury wrote:
harmony wrote:
Mercury wrote:I come here to have my ideas challenged. I get frustrated when the only answer given to me is Your wrong!!! Get Therapy!!!!


Even when you're wrong, and therapy would help? If you don't consider that you're wrong, you don't come here to have your ideas challenged. You only want your ideas reinforced, ala MAD.


YOUR WRONG!!! GET THERAPY!!!


I'm one of the few here qualified to give therapy, Merc, and I suspect I'm one of the few who has had it.
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Re: Missionaries tell others their religion is wrong

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harmony wrote:
Mercury wrote:
harmony wrote:
Mercury wrote:I come here to have my ideas challenged. I get frustrated when the only answer given to me is Your wrong!!! Get Therapy!!!!


Even when you're wrong, and therapy would help? If you don't consider that you're wrong, you don't come here to have your ideas challenged. You only want your ideas reinforced, ala MAD.


YOUR WRONG!!! GET THERAPY!!!


I'm one of the few here qualified to give therapy, Merc, and I suspect I'm one of the few who has had it.


Harm, I was riffing off of the laughable assertion that one could discern ones mental state from a collection of postings.

I did not intend to say you need therapy but was merely showcasing the BS that is the board psychologist.
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Barrel O'Monkeys

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The cultural thing is really a non-issue. What you are teachign is the culture of Christ. Any culture yu run into has to adapt to it. It doesent matter if your an American, A Japanese, or a Turk. You adapt to Christ. God is the God of the whole world.

Whether or not they like Jello with or without fruit in it is another issue entirely.
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Gazelam wrote:The cultural thing is really a non-issue. What you are teachign is the culture of Christ. Any culture yu run into has to adapt to it. It doesent matter if your an American, A Japanese, or a Turk. You adapt to Christ. God is the God of the whole world.

Whether or not they like Jello with or without fruit in it is another issue entirely.


Gaz, why is it that the nonmembers ahve to adapt to the niche culture instead of them adapting to the mainstream culture?
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I never tell people they're wrong about they're religion. I will sometimes remark, regarding religion, that "I don't get it" or point out what I perceive as the major fallacies, but I never explicitly tell people they're wrong.

And I only do this if the subject is raised and I'm with someone with whom I'm comfortable.
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Some Schmo wrote:I never tell people they're wrong about they're religion. I will sometimes remark, regarding religion, that "I don't get it" or point out what I perceive as the major fallacies, but I never explicitly tell people they're wrong.

And I only do this is the subject is raised and I'm with someone with whom I'm comfortable.


Me too, and it's very rare. The topic never really comes up much anyway, so I don't have to avoid it. In fact, I'm hard pressed now to remember any specific examples from the last 20 years or so!

I had a colleague I shared an office with at my first full-time academic job. She was a medievalist and a Catholic. We became quite good "job friends." She had some interesting ideas about "second sight" for lack of a better term, so I once asked her about how that jibed with her Catholicism and what her experiences with foreshadowings were. I was mostly curious, asked questions, probably told her I didn't believe. I had a necklace with a cross pendant that my grandmother had given me (just as jewelry with no religious significance to her) that I didn't like to wear. I gave it to her when I left that job.

I never bring up religion in class and refer to religious ideas in general in hopefully neutral terms (the way it gets into discussion usually is in terms of a Biblical literary allusion). I had an older student a few years ago that I became friends with after class ended. She was thinking about religion (I think due to a boyfriend's prodding) and wanted to know what I thought and why I didn't believe. I ended up talking to her about it what seemed like a lot, but this was because she kept bringing it up.

And that's pretty much it.
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Polygamy Porter wrote:
barrelomonkeys wrote:Hey PP, you're definitely on a mission now.
Damn straight. It is my moral duty to my fellow humans.

barrelomonkeys wrote:Did you ever go on a mission for the LDS Church?
No way. I served my country instead.

barrelomonkeys wrote:Is cultural tolerance really stressed?
When in a cult do as the cult does. Yes.


Well PP, you blew my theory.
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Gazelam wrote:The cultural thing is really a non-issue. What you are teachign is the culture of Christ. Any culture yu run into has to adapt to it. It doesent matter if your an American, A Japanese, or a Turk. You adapt to Christ. God is the God of the whole world.

Whether or not they like Jello with or without fruit in it is another issue entirely.


Gaz, I was trying to understand why some people feel very comfortable telling other people that they are idiots for believing in something. I was wrong with my epiphany. I just really wanted to understand how anyone could do some of the things I see on this board.

Apparently it's the person. I was trying to think of excuses for why some act the way they do. I shouldn't do that. Their behavior speaks for themselves. Perhaps when they were LDS they liked feeling superior to others because that is in their nature. And now that they are out they carry their superiority complex out with them.

I am usually shocked when I see people do things that I find harmful to others. I believe, for the most part, in the goodness of people and probably just need to wise up.
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Blixa wrote:
Some Schmo wrote:I never tell people they're wrong about they're religion. I will sometimes remark, regarding religion, that "I don't get it" or point out what I perceive as the major fallacies, but I never explicitly tell people they're wrong.

And I only do this is the subject is raised and I'm with someone with whom I'm comfortable.


Me too, and it's very rare. The topic never really comes up much anyway, so I don't have to avoid it. In fact, I'm hard pressed now to remember any specific examples from the last 20 years or so!

I had a colleague I shared an office with at my first full-time academic job. She was a medievalist and a Catholic. We became quite good "job friends." She had some interesting ideas about "second sight" for lack of a better term, so I once asked her about how that jibed with her Catholicism and what her experiences with foreshadowings were. I was mostly curious, asked questions, probably told her I didn't believe. I had a necklace with a cross pendant that my grandmother had given me (just as jewelry with no religious significance to her) that I didn't like to wear. I gave it to her when I left that job.

I never bring up religion in class and refer to religious ideas in general in hopefully neutral terms (the way it gets into discussion usually is in terms of a Biblical literary allusion). I had an older student a few years ago that I became friends with after class ended. She was thinking about religion (I think due to a boyfriend's prodding) and wanted to know what I thought and why I didn't believe. I ended up talking to her about it what seemed like a lot, but this was because she kept bringing it up.

And that's pretty much it.


Blixa, I live in the heart of the Bible belt and everyone has been saved by Jesus. It is part of my neighbor's belief system to talk to me about their savior. I have to have conversations often that I wish I didn't. I am usually very uncomfortable talking about my personal beliefs.

I wish I'd had a professor like you. ;)
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