DCP and Quinn

Post by **_DonBradley** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:20 am

As I've mentioned in a previous thread, I spoke with Dan Peterson a few times in the BYU Bookstore prior to Quinn's public "coming out," and don't remember Dr. Peterson having ever passed on any rumors about Quinn, even though, as I recall, we spoke somewhat about specific "critics" and controversial figures and about the relationship of apostasy to lifestyle choices.

While I wasn't part of any inner circle of dastardliness (i.e., donut hole) he may have headed up at the time, my experience with him would suggest that he wasn't repeating any of the rumors already in the air about Quinn. This is not to say that I didn't hear any secondhand information from him that might constitute "gossip," but I certainly did not get the least sense that he was orchestrating private campaigns against any scholar, critic, or other individual. And, yes, he's a nice guy.

Don

Post by **_DonBradley** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:26 am

by the way, based on Quinn's own accounts, he wasn't excommunicated for any gossip, nor for anything having to do with his personal homosexuality, of which his stake president may not even have known. He was excommunicated for his piece on women and the priesthood, for a statement to the press about the LDS hierarchy wanting "cookie cutter" members, and for 'insubordination' to church government in the form of not appearing at his disciplinary councils.

And if Quinn had been excommunicated for homosexuality, this would hardly have been excommunication on the grounds of false rumor. He is, in fact, by his own public and private acknowledgment, gay. In a two-hour phone conversation in about 1997, Mike told me how he'd discovered and come to terms with his homosexuality. While I wouldn't post the details of that conversation online, and, frankly, don't know what his lifestyle is, I think Mike's homosexuality should now be recognized as fact, rather than mere rumor.

Don

Post by **_DonBradley** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:32 am

by the way, I have not followed all the discussion on this topic. What is the evidence that Mike "confessed" his homosexual orientation to a church leader, and that this leader blabbed to someone who blabbed to someone who blabbed to DCP, who blabbed to Mike's Salt Lake stake president? And how did DCP happen to know who Mike's stake president was, given that Mike had never been active in that stake, had lived there only a short while, and didn't even know who his own stake president was?

And, a question for Dan, why was I left out of the loop on this one? Here you went and told Mike's stake president, whom you likely didn't even know, and couldn't have even known the identity of, and you didn't tell me while we gabbed in the bookstore? Did my donut offerings displease you??

Don

Post by **_moksha** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:51 am

Who said, "Let he who has not gossiped cast the first vote"?

Apparently, no one said it.

Post by **_moksha** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:53 am

Daniel Peterson wrote:Incidentally, I need to announce in advance that I leave tomorrow morning for some more time away from home and away from my computer.

The trip has been planned for about a year, so, clearly, I will be fleeing in terror from the two Scratch-threads.

Will you be on a speaking tour of the outer colonies? Good luck and watch out for that Vorgon Ambassador.

Post by **_Daniel Peterson** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:11 am

DonBradley wrote:What is the evidence that Mike "confessed" his homosexual orientation to a church leader, and that this leader blabbed to someone who blabbed to someone who blabbed to DCP, who blabbed to Mike's Salt Lake stake president?

There is none. But it's not necessary. You've entered an evidence-free zone.

DonBradley wrote:And how did DCP happen to know who Mike's stake president was, given that Mike had never been active in that stake, had lived there only a short while, and didn't even know who his own stake president was?

The easy answer -- which has the considerable merit of being true -- is that I didn't.

DonBradley wrote:And, a question for Dan, why was I left out of the loop on this one? Here you went and told Mike's stake president, whom you likely didn't even know, and couldn't have even known the identity of, and you didn't tell me while we gabbed in the bookstore? Did my donut offerings displease you??

It was pure inadvertence on my part. You may be the only person in the lower forty-eight states that I failed to tell. I was on it pretty much 24/7 for roughly six years. My apologies.

Post by **_Daniel Peterson** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:14 am

moksha wrote:Will you be on a speaking tour of the outer colonies? Good luck and watch out for that Vorgon Ambassador.

Yes. The important news of Mike Quinn's sexual orientation has apparently not yet been conveyed to the outer colonies. Accordingly, I've been assigned by The Quinn Smear Consortium, Inc., to spread this vital information throughout the cosmos.

Post by **_Daniel Peterson** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:21 am

Tarski wrote:If this goes on much longer then google will spit this thread out as the top hit for searches on Michael Quinn.
I'm just sure he will appreciate that. Just exactly who is effectively gossiping here?

As I'm sure you suspect, this thread wasn't started by Yours Truly. Nor at my request.

Post by **_Polygamy Porter** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:01 am

Dang,

Scratch has scratched DCP AGAIN!

Thanks for starting the tread Bond.

Post by **_Jersey Girl** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:34 am

Book of Mormon (not to be confused with Book of Mormon)

I apologize to all. I obviously did not realize what serious subject matter this is.

snarf. snarf.

So what are ya gonna call yer sock puppets, monkeys?

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