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[_jayneedoe]

Good luck with that. I can see your heart is in the right place. I wish her the best of luck.

Thanks a lot Seth. That means a lot coming from you.

Jaynee

[_Inconceivable]

Jaynee,

I lean toward agreeing whole heartedly with Don and partially with Porter. She needs to take a break from fringe sites like this. It's also extremely unwise for her to decide to be a first poster at a brand new site that we are discovering is run by a clown Nazi.

If she finds out what many of us have discovered, well, that's life. We are all dealing with it partially through board therapy but it isn't for everyone.

For visceral people like Polygamy Porter, he has permitted his anger to consume him. I'm figuring there was a time when he was more prone to exibit the virtues of kindness and restraint.

But I got to tell you, their are days when I'm pissed as hell because I see what a mockery of righteousness these bastard deceivers have done to my family and others in this damnedable Mormon church. You mentioned you were never Mormon. For many of us it has been the violence of a rip tide to break from. It was our entire life and that of nearly every one that has been meaningful to us. Think for a moment of your most cherished and respected friend - now imagine that they have betrayed you and have now lost the respect of many others that you have loved. That is the state many of us find ourselves in because of the damnedable church deceivers.

At times angry people appear to own the board. I think you would be doing the right thing to encourage her to at least avoid their (the angry peoples') damage path till she can get some real and professional therapy/counseling.

That being said I wish you and all of us peace.

[_jayneedoe]

Jaynee,

I lean toward agreeing whole heartedly with Don and partially with Porter. She needs to take a break from fringe sites like this. It's also extremely unwise for her to decide to be a first poster at a brand new site that we are discovering is run by a clown Nazi.

Yeah, she has only been to the one site she frequents. She has never been to another site, and when "Giuseppe" came and advertised his site, she didn't know to be cautious.

She also wasn't upset with the guys who told her about Joseph's wives. She was upset with the Church for not having told her about it, seeing as how she had been a member for three years. However, when she came to this site and saw that she was being mocked, specifically by Porter, she became angry with what she thought was everyone to whom she had been talking. I explained to her it had only been Porter, but the damage had already been done.

If she finds out what many of us have discovered, well, that's life. We are all dealing with it partially through board therapy but it isn't for everyone.

I know. This is why I feel conflicted.

For visceral people like Polygamy Porter, he has permitted his anger to consume him. I'm figuring there was a time when he was more prone to exibit the virtues of kindness and restraint.

I've known Porter a long time, and we have some history, although he doesn't seem to remember me, which is a good thing. I just get tired of his rantings, because he says things that aren't true.

But I got to tell you, their are days when I'm pissed as hell because I see what a mockery of righteousness these bastard deceivers have done to my family and others in this damnedable Mormon church. You mentioned you were never Mormon. For many of us it has been the violence of a rip tide to break from. It was our entire life and that of nearly every one that has been meaningful to us. Think for a moment of your most cherished and respected friend - now imagine that they have betrayed you and have now lost the respect of many others that you have loved. That is the state many of us find ourselves in because of the damnedable church deceivers.

I was Mormon, and I do understand. And I know this is what my friend would go through, every single moment of it. That's why I intervened. She's too fragile for it right now. But I don't dismiss your experience at all. I know it well, although it's been 20 years for me.

Can you understand that I don't want her to experience that quite yet? I realize you didn't have a choice, nor did the majority of us. Is it a bad thing for me to want her to experience it gently? I really am conflicted about this.

At times angry people appear to own the board. I think you would be doing the right thing to encourage her to at least avoid their (the angry peoples') damage path till she can get some real and professional therapy/counseling.

That being said I wish you and all of us peace.

Thank you. You too.

Jaynee

[Anonymous]

I'll be good.....for the record I ain't mad at her, just the poster "john doe" and the cowardly Moderator "Strawberry Fields" at ldstalk.com (and of course "guiseppe" the eunuch moderator at ldsforums.com). I actually had some more posts written up to post in response to her but the moderators were too chicken to post them. But I'll drop the issue if you wish it.

[_truth dancer]

Hi Jaynee...

Your friend is lucky to have you!

Discovering the "stuff" is hard, having a friend who understands helps!

I think the mocking is harmful under any circumstances.

We have all been in the place of discovery and it hurts..... nothing wrong with being gentle!

:-)

~dancer~

[_Yoda]

Is it a bad thing for me to want her to experience it gently?

Absolutely not. You're being a good friend.

I'll make sure the shock collar is back on Bond. LOL

Oh, and I think PP is in a permanent male PMS state. I've given him my lifetime supply of chocolates. Hopefully, his mood will improve. ;)

Seriously, I hope all goes well with your friend....and welcome back to the board!

;)

[_Polygamy Porter]

I remember jayneedoe being a snively whiner.

I am sure she remembers all of the details.. that's what people with grudges do.

As for say that my posts are lies, please refute my points.

And guess what? The internet is the new frontier. Wide open and harsh. If you can't run with the big dogs then stay on the porch.

[_harmony]

If you can't run with the big dogs then stay on the porch.

Hey! Back off on that! I am not a big dog. I'm a big cat, and I highly resent being called a big female dog.

[_Dr. Shades]

. . . if she were to lose her testimony it would break her. She has no other lifeline, . . . it would absolutely devastate her, to her core. And she is just not strong enough for that. . . she is also terribly fragile, and badgering her about the Church's lack of credibility, to the point that she loses her testimony, would crush her to the point she might very well lose her strength. She would crumble, . . . She has to take care of her children, and she needs the Church to do that right now. . . Maybe sometime down the road, when she's stronger, she can handle some of these truths, a little bit at a time. . . And she could have learned the truth as she was ready, IF she was ever ready. But now that won't happen, . . . She's too fragile for it right now.

For someone who claims to be her friend, you're making a lot of negative assumptions about her. Yediyd is NOT some sort of frightened kitten huddled in the corner! On the contrary, Yediyd is a very strong, very independent woman who is more than capable of triumphing over any challenge which comes her way.

She was very upset at discovering information from you guys that she had not learned from the Church. She has been a member for three years, and did feel that by now she should have learned about it. . . When she's ready for the truth, I know she'll tell me.

She already has told you. She said, right out in the open, that she's "ready for the meat" (direct quote).

Sigh...again, people from this site followed her to the forum she frequents and were personally leaving her posts. Dr. Shades was the last person to do so. That's when I wrote the post here asking that everyone leave her alone.

Speaking of which, she mistook the link I gave her--a Wikipedia.org link--for a link to MormonDiscussions.com. Would you please let her know that the link I left was to an entirely different website, and that the Book of Abraham issue exists completely independently of MormonDiscussions.com? Thanks!

Can you understand that I don't want her to experience that quite yet? I realize you didn't have a choice, nor did the majority of us. Is it a bad thing for me to want her to experience it gently?

It's not your call to make. She's a fully-grown adult in no need of nannying. She herself has expressed disgust about not being told about these things, even though she's been a member for three years. She has also publicly declared that she's "ready for the meat." So I think you should respect her wishes and allow her to learn the truth at the rate she wishes, not the way you wish she would.

Her life, her call.

[_harmony]

It's not your call to make. She's a fully-grown adult in no need of nannying. She herself has expressed disgust about not being told about these things, even though she's been a member for three years. She has also publicly declared that she's "ready for the meat." So I think you should respect her wishes and allow her to learn the truth at the rate she wishes, not the way you wish she would.

Her life, her call.

Three years? Three years and she thought she'd know everything there is to know about the church? Good grief, I've been a member for 36 years, and I still don't know everything there is to know. Living in the mission field makes access to information a whole lot harder.

If she's on the boards, she needs to realize that she's going to see information that is not church-sanctioned, and that there is a reason the church is keeping it from her. And she also needs to know that she does not have to leave the church, just because she finds out the officially-sanctioned church history isn't as complete as it should be.