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[_Doctor Steuss]

I was banned from LDSTalk. Figure that one out. I wonder if I’m the first Mormon to be banned from there. This is quite the crowning achievement for me. I wasn’t even banned for defending Mormonism at an Evangelical board a while back. See what happens by merely associating with you heathens over here!?!?! Guilty by association. Oh well, 'tis probably for the best.

At any rate… jayneedoe, please wish your friend the best from me. I’m sure she’ll be fine.

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I can't even view the forums anymore. What the poop is going on here? I'm kind of hurt (seriously... this kind of stings a bit).

[_Blixa]

I was banned from LDSTalk. Figure that one out. I wonder if I’m the first Mormon to be banned from there. This is quite the crowning achievement for me. I wasn’t even banned for defending Mormonism at an Evangelical board a while back. See what happens by merely associating with you heathens over here!?!?! Guilty by association. Oh well, 'tis probably for the best.

At any rate… jayneedoe, please wish your friend the best from me. I’m sure she’ll be fine.

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I can't even view the forums anymore. What the poop is going on here? I'm kind of hurt (seriously... this kind of stings a bit).

Wow. I just read your posts---not exactly banning-worthy. Was it just because you said you knew Bond, do you think?

If it makes you feel better, I'm banned from the other place Bond was talking about. I wanted to check it out, so I registered with a different name and made a couple of what I thought were inocuous posts (for example on a history thread I posted a list of books I think are good, including stuff like Leonard Arrington's LDS history, a book on the Humboldt overland trail and other stuff, as well as Bagley and Brooks). In another thread, I affirmed the admirable struggles of the Pioneers (who as I said, often got it from both sides: both "gentile" and from their own leaders), and in a third, I asked a question about a poster's assertion that not only was the persecution of the early Saints was exactly like the persecution of Jesus's followers, but that its still continuing today. A handful of sentences in all that I had hoped might spark discussion.

My guess is that since I must have registered not that long after Bond and others that I got included in the sweep.

[_Doctor Steuss]

Wow. I just read your posts---not exactly banning-worthy. Was it just because you said you knew Bond, do you think?

Dunno. I got an email about "Moderator Preview" or something like that (it was kind of cryptic) and then next thing I knew, I was cast into Outer Darkness.

The apostates don't want me, the Mormons don't want me... maybe it's time to finally become an agnostic Buddhist.

*sigh*

"Our intellect has achieved the most tremendous things, but in the meantime our spiritual dwelling has fallen into disrepair." -Jung

Never before has the day of the Steussites been closer at hand.

[_Bond...James Bond]

jaynee,

You better tell your pal that ceasefires go both way......apparently they're still talking crap over on ldstalk.com. Might want to give her a headsup to shut the hell up, before I forget I'm dropping the issue. And please tell her I'm not a dang evangelical...jeez. I hate stupid apologists.

[_Blixa]

Never before has the day of the Steussites been closer at hand.

*holding my breath, fingers crossed*

[_Blixa]

maybe it's time to finally become an agnostic Buddhist.

I counsel a deep study of Yukio Mishima's The Sea of Fertility. The ending is both apocalyptically devastating and mind-blowingly transcendant.

[_Doctor Steuss]

maybe it's time to finally become an agnostic Buddhist.

I counsel a deep study of Yukio Mishima's The Sea of Fertility. The ending is both apocalyptically devastating and mind-blowingly transcendant.

Sounds a lot like eating a Double-double from In-n-Out Burger. I'll add it to my reading wish list (currently at 166 books).

[_Blixa]

maybe it's time to finally become an agnostic Buddhist.

I counsel a deep study of Yukio Mishima's The Sea of Fertility. The ending is both apocalyptically devastating and mind-blowingly transcendant.

Sounds a lot like eating a Double-double from In-n-Out Burger. I'll add it to my reading wish list (currently at 166 books).

At four volumes its more a 12-course feast than a fast-food burger.

And after he wrote the last page, Mishima tied up the manuscript, delivered it to his publisher and went forth to commit public seppeku.

[_SatanWasSetUp]

jayneedoe,

Since your friend lives in New York, the church is probably much more tolerable. I know members outside the Mormon stronghold tend to be less "mormony" and more diverse in their lifestyle and opinions. If I wanted to be a non-believing cultural Mormon, I would do it someplace like New York. Good luck to her.

[_jayneedoe]

. . . if she were to lose her testimony it would break her. She has no other lifeline, . . . it would absolutely devastate her, to her core. And she is just not strong enough for that. . . she is also terribly fragile, and badgering her about the Church's lack of credibility, to the point that she loses her testimony, would crush her to the point she might very well lose her strength. She would crumble, . . . She has to take care of her children, and she needs the Church to do that right now. . . Maybe sometime down the road, when she's stronger, she can handle some of these truths, a little bit at a time. . . And she could have learned the truth as she was ready, IF she was ever ready. But now that won't happen, . . . She's too fragile for it right now.

For someone who claims to be her friend, you're making a lot of negative assumptions about her. Yediyd is NOT some sort of frightened kitten huddled in the corner! On the contrary, Yediyd is a very strong, very independent woman who is more than capable of triumphing over any challenge which comes her way.

She was very upset at discovering information from you guys that she had not learned from the Church. She has been a member for three years, and did feel that by now she should have learned about it. . . When she's ready for the truth, I know she'll tell me.

She already has told you. She said, right out in the open, that she's "ready for the meat" (direct quote).

Sigh...again, people from this site followed her to the forum she frequents and were personally leaving her posts. Dr. Shades was the last person to do so. That's when I wrote the post here asking that everyone leave her alone.

Speaking of which, she mistook the link I gave her--a Wikipedia.org link--for a link to MormonDiscussions.com. Would you please let her know that the link I left was to an entirely different website, and that the Book of Abraham issue exists completely independently of MormonDiscussions.com? Thanks!

Can you understand that I don't want her to experience that quite yet? I realize you didn't have a choice, nor did the majority of us. Is it a bad thing for me to want her to experience it gently?

It's not your call to make. She's a fully-grown adult in no need of nannying. She herself has expressed disgust about not being told about these things, even though she's been a member for three years. She has also publicly declared that she's "ready for the meat." So I think you should respect her wishes and allow her to learn the truth at the rate she wishes, not the way you wish she would.

Her life, her call.

Hi Shades,

I read your post to her, and she absolutely agreed. So I am duly chastened. As always yours is a voice of wisdom.

I thought I was doing a good thing, because she was so upset, and I've come to care for her so.

Jaynee