Mercury wrote:Your words ring very true Ajax. I find it evil to live off the spoils of a false authority and milk the bank accounts of so many individuals who are suckered into the game early in Primary.
I find it evil to live off other people like that even if the authority is valid. It just makes me think of the idea, "By their fruits ye shall know them."
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
Mercury wrote:Your words ring very true Ajax. I find it evil to live off the spoils of a false authority and milk the bank accounts of so many individuals who are suckered into the game early in Primary.
I find it evil to live off other people like that even if the authority is valid. It just makes me think of the idea, "By their fruits ye shall know them."
You think their job is cushie? Could be. Not sure what cushie is. Many of them travel almost every weekend and they all take only one day a week off. One I know, who was an attorney told me one thing he misses about his old life is his income is much lower now and it is harder to make ends meet. He is allowed to do legal work on his day off to supplement his income.
As I have noted before, the job description of a GA is upper mid level management and to management if it were the corporate world ( and I know the critics argue it is, but any large institution these days is going to be business like in many aspects) so personally a low six figure income does not bug me.
Jason Bourne wrote:Can anybody show me how much a 70 makes?
How about an apostle?
A member of the FP?
Five star hotels? Not when GAs come to my town.
You think their job is cushie? Could be. Not sure what cushie is. Many of them travel almost every weekend and they all take only one day a week off. One I know, who was an attorney told me one thing he misses about his old life is his income is much lower now and it is harder to make ends meet. He is allowed to do legal work on his day off to supplement his income.
As I have noted before, the job description of a GA is upper mid level management and to management if it were the corporate world ( and I know the critics argue it is, but any large institution these days is going to be business like in many aspects) so personally a low six figure income does not bug me.
They should live no better than the average member, since it's the average member that is supporting them. Personally, I think it's shameful that men in expensive suits are telling poor people in 3rd world countries to pay their tithing.
Don't forget the perks: car and drivers, maid service, penthouse condo in a $5million building, extensive world-wide travel, and let's not forget the veneration bordering on hero worship. They are inaccessible to the members and the public alike. Both Pope and Prophet live like kings, on God's dime.
Jason Bourne wrote:Can anybody show me how much a 70 makes?
How about an apostle?
A member of the FP?
Five star hotels? Not when GAs come to my town.
You think their job is cushie? Could be. Not sure what cushie is. Many of them travel almost every weekend and they all take only one day a week off. One I know, who was an attorney told me one thing he misses about his old life is his income is much lower now and it is harder to make ends meet. He is allowed to do legal work on his day off to supplement his income.
As I have noted before, the job description of a GA is upper mid level management and to management if it were the corporate world ( and I know the critics argue it is, but any large institution these days is going to be business like in many aspects) so personally a low six figure income does not bug me.
They should live no better than the average member, since it's the average member that is supporting them. Personally, I think it's shameful that men in expensive suits are telling poor people in 3rd world countries to pay their tithing.
Don't forget the perks: car and drivers, maid service, penthouse condo in a $5million building, extensive world-wide travel, and let's not forget the veneration bordering on hero worship. They are inaccessible to the members and the public alike. Both Pope and Prophet live like kings, on God's dime.
They run the damn company. Why would they not get some bennies?
Sick of them getting something you feel they aren't entitled? STOP PAYING THEM.
harmony wrote: They should live no better than the average member, since it's the average member that is supporting them. Personally, I think it's shameful that men in expensive suits are telling poor people in 3rd world countries to pay their tithing.
Don't forget the perks: car and drivers, maid service, penthouse condo in a $5million building, extensive world-wide travel, and let's not forget the veneration bordering on hero worship. They are inaccessible to the members and the public alike. Both Pope and Prophet live like kings, on God's dime.
I thought no one was paid for (insert correct term here as relates to priests/preachers in LDS) their work in LDS?
I could sware that I read that before on MAD. That was what made LDS so much better than evangelical preachers. Is this two different things?
They should live no better than the average member, since it's the average member that is supporting them.
That is your opinion. I disagree.
Personally, I think it's shameful that men in expensive suits are telling poor people in 3rd world countries to pay their tithing.
Ok. These men give up their career and work full time and that full time leaves little time to earn an income another way. Should they be paid at all? What is the number for an average member?
Don't forget the perks: car and drivers, maid service, penthouse condo in a $5million building, extensive world-wide travel, and let's not forget the veneration bordering on hero worship. They are inaccessible to the members and the public alike. Both Pope and Prophet live like kings, on God's dime.
I think the only one that has anything near what you describe above may be Pres Hinckley. As for hero worship what has that got to do with pay and I lay that a lot at the members feet. As for accessible I think most the GAs under apostle are very accessible. And I have personal correspondence via email from two apostles and a number of 70. So you might be surprised how accessible they are at times.
barrelomonkeys wrote:I thought no one was paid for (insert correct term here as relates to priests/preachers in LDS) their work in LDS?
I could sware that I read that before on MAD. That was what made LDS so much better than evangelical preachers. Is this two different things?
Local leaders (bishops and SP) are not paid. The higher up the food chain you go, the bigger the stipend. The Twelve and the FP are all paid, supposedly out of the profits of the for-profit businesses, but since the books are closed, no one can prove that. It may come out of tithing for all we know. And they let the myth of being non-paid continue.
harmony wrote: Local leaders (bishops and SP) are not paid. The higher up the food chain you go, the bigger the stipend. The Twelve and the FP are all paid, supposedly out of the profits of the for-profit businesses, but since the books are closed, no one can prove that. It may come out of tithing for all we know. And they let the myth of being non-paid continue.
Oh. Well I wondered how people could have a pretty much full time job for the LDS Church and not be compensated.
harmony wrote: They should live no better than the average member, since it's the average member that is supporting them. Personally, I think it's shameful that men in expensive suits are telling poor people in 3rd world countries to pay their tithing.
Don't forget the perks: car and drivers, maid service, penthouse condo in a $5million building, extensive world-wide travel, and let's not forget the veneration bordering on hero worship. They are inaccessible to the members and the public alike. Both Pope and Prophet live like kings, on God's dime.
I thought no one was paid for (insert correct term here as relates to priests/preachers in LDS) their work in LDS?
I could sware that I read that before on MAD. That was what made LDS so much better than evangelical preachers. Is this two different things?
Top leaders, GAs, about 100 of them, are paid. The rest of the ministry positions are lay and not paid. And the Church does have a lot of paid employees as well, to run the Church, seminary and institute teachers, facilities, etc