The Question of Hypocrisy---Help Me Understand....

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_barrelomonkeys
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KimberlyAnn wrote:
barrelomonkeys wrote: He would leave you? Wow! I'm sorry KA. Are you an agnostic?


Well, he says he would.

I hope there is a God. I feel like there is, but I know from past experience that my feelings are not a good indicator of truth!

I feel like all the atheists on this board, and others, who are all probably much more intelligent than me, think of my thoughts on God the same way your husband thinks of yours. Like believing in the possibility of God is an intellectual deficiency. I don't know if I'm right; my feelings don't have a good record of reliability!

KA


I rather hope there is not a God. I'm pretty sure I'm going to hell if there is. :)

I just want to know the truth!!!!!
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KA wrote:Like believing in the possibility of God is an intellectual deficiency. I don't know if I'm right; my feelings don't have a good record of reliability!


I don't think believing in God is an intellectual deficiency. There are plenty of people with extremely high intellects who believe or have believed in God.

Look at Tolkein (who Tarski actually used as an example on another thread). He was a devout Catholic. Look at JFK....extremely strong intellect. Look at Regan...say what you want about him, but the fact remains, he was one of the U.S.'s strongest leaders.

And don't sell your feelings short. I'm sure that "mother's intuition" has worked more for you than against you, in spite of what you say. ;)
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liz3564 wrote:
KA wrote:Like believing in the possibility of God is an intellectual deficiency. I don't know if I'm right; my feelings don't have a good record of reliability!


I don't think believing in God is an intellectual deficiency.


I didn't think you would, Liz, considering you're a theist, lol! I don't think it's a sign of intellectual deficiency, but some folks do. Or at least they come across as thinking that way.

As always, I appreciate your kind comments.

Thanks,

KA
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KA wrote:I didn't think you would, Liz, considering you're a theist, lol!


Hey...we goddesses have to stick together, don't we?

;)
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I was called a hypocrite by Porter, and in that particular thing (namely recommendations of movies), he was right.

I think in religious terms, everyone is at a different point along "Jacobs ladder". Or to use a Book of Mormon reference, at different points along the Iron Rod heading to the tree.

Just because a person has sinned in the past is no reason for that same person to not decry a sin. Is an alcoholoic Father in the wrong to tell his friends and family not to drink? Would that be wrong?

Doing the right thing on a consistent and daily basis is tough. Slip ups happen. But the point is to keep plugging away. Get the lesser commandments down until they become habit, then work opn the higher ones. I'd have to say I'm a much better person than I was a year ago as far as being obedient and doing the right thing consistently. With the proper attitude and willpower I hope to be much better than I am now a year from now.
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It is not hypocritical to openly oppose an organization of which you are a member to induce change. Or to learn. Or to flush out hidden meaning. Or whatever. (Whether the organization permits such dissent is another matter, but that matter is unrelated to hypocrisy.)


Ah but here is the crux of the problem. This organizatoin does not tolerate dissent at all really. You note below that much of what us hypocrites post here would get us de-admitted. So maybe there is this thing called fear. Maybe we are not ready to be de admitted.
But "openly" is the key. Hypocrisy arises when you say one thing in one venue and say another in a different venue. Or do one thing in one venue and do a different thing in a different venue. Jesus condemned hypocrisy more than any other sin, a detail I find interesting about the New Testament. I really suspect that few posters on this board read their New Testament.


Nah he did not. He talked about it a few times but more then any other sin. Hardly. Course sin is sin.
As long as you act consistent with your beliefs in all venues, you are not a hypocrite.



I highly doubt you or any other human acts consistent in ALL venues with all their beliefs. However, even Pres. Hinckley has said the members are free to believe and hold differing opinions about things LDS as long as they do not go preach it publicly.

But, if you use theashion as the Pharisees were; they will burn in hell and so will you, maybe. I'm not your judge. Combined with personal attacks against people with real names, be it Gordon B. Hinckley, or Boyd K. Packer, or Robert D. Crockett, not only are you a hypocrite you are a coward. "You" speaking generically and not necessarily you personally.

I see many people on this board who admit to being good members of the Church; admitting home teachers, and keeping their names on the records of the church when the things they say on this board would get them de-admitted. The only thing that protects them is the anonymity.


So, let me suggest that if you (generically) have any integrity and personal character at all, and want to post vicious things against the Church, then resign.


As noted before, for me personally, I have posted nothing here that I have not discussed with my SP and bishop and as for membership they are the ones that matter. Not you, not anyone else. So I will tell you to take your haughty suggestion and frankly, stick it.


If you want to post vicious things against living people, use your real name. But, you (you, personally) know what? Personal character and integrity is sharply wanting on this board.



I have difficulty thinking that a person who is, or was, a bishop so frequently suggestion members who have honest issues, and really nowhere to debate or air them safely, are encouraged to leave what he believes is the Lord's true church. Character indeed.

The savior I read about would encourage and love those who have questions and struggle. He really spent much more time talking about seeking and working with lost sheep rather then talking about hypocrisy. I also suggest that you consider the behavior of the religious leaders of the day was what he condemned as hypocrisy. Leaders that were rigid and more concerned about appearances rather then the inner heart. Then look in the mirrror.
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Liz,

You, harmony and Jason are not hypocrites. You're thinking Mormons. How can that be wrong?

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Jersey Girl wrote:Liz,

You, harmony and Jason are not hypocrites. You're thinking Mormons. How can that be wrong?

Jersey Girl


Thanks. Crocket it thinking as well though. But interesting. What type of hypocrisy was Jesus talking about?
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Jason Bourne wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:Liz,

You, harmony and Jason are not hypocrites. You're thinking Mormons. How can that be wrong?

Jersey Girl


Thanks. Crocket it thinking as well though. But interesting. What type of hypocrisy was Jesus talking about?


I'll take Pharisees for $200, Alex.
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Jason Bourne wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:Liz,

You, harmony and Jason are not hypocrites. You're thinking Mormons. How can that be wrong?

Jersey Girl


Thanks. Crocket it thinking as well though. But interesting. What type of hypocrisy was Jesus talking about?


I'll take Pharisees for $200, Alex.


Well that is my point. Crockett wants to call the LDS members here who voice complaints hypocrites. And I imagine we are to some extent.

But Crocket crows about Jesus condemning hypocrites. He should consider the type of hypocrite he was condemning. It was the religious leader who was actually and apparently full believers in the religion of the day. But they had other flaws. They were concerned about there power base, minute little rules and they were intolerant of any one that they thought did not toe the line of their rigid rules of religion. Crocket constantly berating some here who have honest questions and his encouragement of them to resign seems, well pharisiacal to me.
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