Mechanism for Institutionalizing Prophesy

[_moksha]

Have you ever considered the exact mechanism for institutionalizing the creation of a Seer, Prophet and a Revelator. I assume that since the members of the Quorum of the Twelve gain these titles upon their election that they also gain the powers to indeed see, prophesy and reveal the intentions of God. So does this come by a voice vote or a secret ballot? Does the First Presidency choose the nominee through a revelation or is there an ongoing head hunting process? Are interviews for likely candidates conducted?

Once inducted, is there a lightning strike of new knowledge that occurs or is it more gradual? If it is a lightning strike how long does this new enlightenment stay with them? I assume it sometimes leaves due to the example of statements such as made by Elders Peterson, Stapely, McConkie and Benson over the years. Or is it just a gift that can be called upon in times of need or peril?

[_moksha]

Have you ever considered the exact mechanism for institutionalizing the creation of a Seer, Prophet and a Revelator. I assume that since the members of the Quorum of the Twelve gain these titles upon their election that they also gain the powers to indeed see, prophesy and reveal the intentions of God. So does this come by a voice vote or a secret ballot? Does the First Presidency choose the nominee through a revelation or is there an ongoing head hunting process? Are interviews for likely candidates conducted?

Once inducted, is there a lightning strike of new knowledge that occurs or is it more gradual? If it is a lightning strike how long does this new enlightenment stay with them? I assume it sometimes leaves due to the example of statements such as made by Elders Peterson, Stapely, McConkie and Benson over the years. Or is it just a gift that can be called upon in times of need or peril?

Moksha, there is no way for this information to be known. It either has never been considered before or else falls into the realm of sacred and secret.

[_Blixa]

Have you ever considered the exact mechanism for institutionalizing the creation of a Seer, Prophet and a Revelator. I assume that since the members of the Quorum of the Twelve gain these titles upon their election that they also gain the powers to indeed see, prophesy and reveal the intentions of God. So does this come by a voice vote or a secret ballot? Does the First Presidency choose the nominee through a revelation or is there an ongoing head hunting process? Are interviews for likely candidates conducted?

Once inducted, is there a lightning strike of new knowledge that occurs or is it more gradual? If it is a lightning strike how long does this new enlightenment stay with them? I assume it sometimes leaves due to the example of statements such as made by Elders Peterson, Stapely, McConkie and Benson over the years. Or is it just a gift that can be called upon in times of need or peril?

Moksha, there is no way for this information to be known. It either has never been considered before or else falls into the realm of sacred and secret.

I wish I knew. I want more information on the "every man has, or should have, a see stone" platform of Joseph Smith.

I hope to find mine when I'm in SLC soon.

P.S. I plan to look in the ruins of a tavern in what was once "Parley's Hollow," as well as around "Suicide Rock." I've scoured the North shore of the Great Salt Lake before, and plan to do some more searching there. All may join me who so desire...

[_The Nehor]

Have you ever considered the exact mechanism for institutionalizing the creation of a Seer, Prophet and a Revelator. I assume that since the members of the Quorum of the Twelve gain these titles upon their election that they also gain the powers to indeed see, prophesy and reveal the intentions of God. So does this come by a voice vote or a secret ballot? Does the First Presidency choose the nominee through a revelation or is there an ongoing head hunting process? Are interviews for likely candidates conducted?

Once inducted, is there a lightning strike of new knowledge that occurs or is it more gradual? If it is a lightning strike how long does this new enlightenment stay with them? I assume it sometimes leaves due to the example of statements such as made by Elders Peterson, Stapely, McConkie and Benson over the years. Or is it just a gift that can be called upon in times of need or peril?

Moksha, there is no way for this information to be known. It either has never been considered before or else falls into the realm of sacred and secret.

I wish I knew. I want more information on the "every man has, or should have, a see stone" platform of Joseph Smith.

I hope to find mine when I'm in SLC soon.

P.S. I plan to look in the ruins of a tavern in what was once "Parley's Hollow," as well as around "Suicide Rock." I've scoured the North shore of the Great Salt Lake before, and plan to do some more searching there. All may join me who so desire...

I found one of mine at Lake Powell and another in a river in California.

[_ktallamigo]

My BIL was a very successful SLC businessman. It was a family business. His brother introduced him to a general authority friend - I don't know which one. They played golf together one day - my BIL, his brother, and the GA. Precisely after this game of golf my BIL got his call to be a mission president. Hmmmm.

His brother was really pissed, because he had been the one wining and dining the GA, hoping for such a position. Doesn't sound like revelation to me.

[_The Nehor]

My BIL was a very successful SLC businessman. It was a family business. His brother introduced him to a general authority friend - I don't know which one. They played golf together one day - my BIL, his brother, and the GA. Precisely after this game of golf my BIL got his call to be a mission president. Hmmmm.

His brother was really pissed, because he had been the one wining and dining the GA, hoping for such a position. Doesn't sound like revelation to me.

You'd rather he pick the one who wanted the job?

[_moksha]

You'd rather he pick the one who wanted the job?

While this might work for business and industry, picking the least interested one is more in accordance with Murphy's Law as well as the second law of thermodynamics.

[_ktallamigo]

My BIL was a very successful SLC businessman. It was a family business. His brother introduced him to a general authority friend - I don't know which one. They played golf together one day - my BIL, his brother, and the GA. Precisely after this game of golf my BIL got his call to be a mission president. Hmmmm.

His brother was really pissed, because he had been the one wining and dining the GA, hoping for such a position. Doesn't sound like revelation to me.

You'd rather he pick the one who wanted the job?

No -- I'd rather that supposed "inspired callings" were made by revelation (as is claimed) than through social contacts.

[_The Nehor]

My BIL was a very successful SLC businessman. It was a family business. His brother introduced him to a general authority friend - I don't know which one. They played golf together one day - my BIL, his brother, and the GA. Precisely after this game of golf my BIL got his call to be a mission president. Hmmmm.

His brother was really pissed, because he had been the one wining and dining the GA, hoping for such a position. Doesn't sound like revelation to me.

You'd rather he pick the one who wanted the job?

No -- I'd rather that supposed "inspired callings" were made by revelation (as is claimed) than through social contacts.

I was once discussing the nature of callings with a Stake President. His view was that there was often more than one acceptable candidate for callings and that the Lord would generally take the first acceptable candidate presented. Occasionally he demanded a specific one and was usually more blatant when assigning them.

This is also my experience based on Bishopric meetings I've attended. Discuss names and based on impressions match them with callings. If anyone feels uncomfortable we discuss it and changes are made. Bishop makes final decision. Usually it's an organic process. Rarely God will override all the candidates we were considering and demand another one.

I also have faith enough to believe God can arrange circumstances so that leaders can meet acceptable candidates. I think it's beautifully ironic and comedic that the man angling for position and power helped God out by introducing someone else.

Probably wasn't so funny to the guy passed over. When I found out that the main purpose of me pursuing a girl I was in love with was to help hook her up with my best friend and break my heart I wasn't too happy either. But life sucks sometimes.

[_Yoda]

Probably wasn't so funny to the guy passed over. When I found out that the main purpose of me pursuing a girl I was in love with was to help hook her up with my best friend and break my heart I wasn't too happy either. But life sucks sometimes.

This story is heart-breaking every time I hear it. :(

But you do have a new girlfriend now. :)

Maybe things will work out even better than they would have with the other girl. I mean, let's face it. If the other girl would betray you like that, then she isn't someone you should really be sharing your life with anyway.