Mormon mindset....

[_christopher]

And yes, the church owns both the DN and the Trib.

The Salt Lake Tribune is owned by MediaNews Group, which is headquartered in Denver, Colorado.

Personally, I think he revels in it, but for those new or not that familiar with Dan, his answers like the above are why he is thought of somewhere between a liar and an asshole.

Reading his post, you would think that he corrected the great lie that harmony spread about the church owing the Trib. One might even infer that the Trib and DN are completely separate. Dan's not a dummy (yes asshole, yes liar, no dummy). He knows full well that though editorally separate, the whole story of the working agreement between the single company which prints and controls advertising of the two, and the whole story of how Desnews interest in this company blocked the sale back to the family and later approved the sale to a more sympathetic MediaNews (if I recall, Singleton was or is the principle).

So in summary, no the Trib is not owned by the church, but once again, Dan shows how he leaves the whole story out to mislead and let the reader think that there is no relationship between the two.

You're probably bight Dan, tis a shame you just can't shut up or just put it all out there on any subject to let people decide for themselves. And you wonder why people think you are a liar.

Chris <><

[_Polygamy Porter]

I think he means since he's a convert he doesn't give a f*** about any of this s***.

It's obvious he is a convert.

Any adult who converts to this BS has the perfect mentality to be a member and not care that LDS Inc controls the media in Ewtah.

[_Nephi]

I think he means since he's a convert he doesn't give a f*** about any of this s***.

It's obvious he is a convert.

Any adult who converts to this BS has the perfect mentality to be a member and not care that LDS Inc controls the media in Ewtah.

Nice. I see you are an excellent judge of character. I was trying to be funny and show that not everyone in the church thinks profanity is a bad thing. I hate to have people make blanket judgments about groups of people based on faulty information.

By the way, I don't care that the media there is controlled by the church. All medias are control by corporations with biasness and agendas. They all suck.

[_Polygamy Porter]

I think he means since he's a convert he doesn't give a f*** about any of this s***.

It's obvious he is a convert.

Any adult who converts to this BS has the perfect mentality to be a member and not care that LDS Inc controls the media in Ewtah.

Nice. I see you are an excellent judge of character. I was trying to be funny and show that not everyone in the church thinks profanity is a bad thing. I hate to have people make blanket judgments about groups of people based on faulty information.

By the way, I don't care that the media there is controlled by the church. All medias are control by corporations with biasness and agendas. They all suck.

that's great.

I see you are working on your polyg beard?

[_Nephi]

I see you are working on your polyg beard?

Yeah, well, my wife calls it my muff mop...

... wait for it...
...wait for it...

THUNDEROUS LAUGHTER!

[_Mister Scratch]

The MediaNews Group is a puppet organization for the Church

In that case, the situation is far more dire than previously imagined.

A list of the newspapers that the Church controls through its Denver-based puppet organization, owned by apparently bogus "non-Mormons," along with the CBS Television affiliate in Anchorage, Alaska, can be found at

http://www.medianewsgroup.com/properties/

A pretty poor counter, my dear friend. After all, why would the Church care about "muzzling" some CBS affiliate in Alaska? Now, shutting up the Trib.... Now that is something the Brethren would surely smile upon.

Apparently, the attempt to silence my friend Peggy Stack failed. (Incidentally, I hadn't realized that she's a critic.) Here are some of her recent articles:

http://www.sltrib.com/circare/html/sca_ ... mit=Search

Well, the transfer of ownership was pretty recent, wasn't it? Just wait.

[_harmony]

And yes, the church owns both the DN and the Trib.

The Salt Lake Tribune is owned by MediaNews Group, which is headquartered in Denver, Colorado.

http://www.medianewsgroup.com/home/

They control most of the news in UT, through KSL radio and tv, the DN, and the Trib.

Are there no other radio stations in Utah besides KSL? Are there no other television stations in Utah besides KSL-TV?

Are there no other newspapers in Utah besides the Deseret Morning News and the Salt Lake Tribune?

The current editor of the Deseret Morning News (since 2006) is Joseph A. Cannon, a Mormon. His predecessor, the Pulitzer Prize-winning former editor of the Christian Science Monitor John Hughes, was not.

MediaNews Group also owns the Park City Record.

Do you think that the Church owns the Logan Herald Journal, the Ogden Standard-Examiner, the southern Utah Spectrum, and the Provo Daily Herald? Just curious.

Who owns the regional newspapers is not important, Daniel. The church owns or controls a significant percentage of the news organization in the state, which is the point I was trying to make. Leave it to you to gloss over that, as if it was something shameful.

The whole state of Utah has about 2.5 million residents. The three counties of the Salt Lake metropolitan area, comprised of Salt Lake, Utah, and Davis counties, have about 1.67 million of those residents. The percentage of residents that is LDS is slipping, but still, the media that controls the Salt Lake Valley controls Utah. And that media is owned by the church. (population numbers found at the SL Trib: http://extras.sltrib.com/specials/LDSpo ... &Submit=go)

[_Daniel Peterson]

Who owns the regional newspapers is not important, Daniel.

When the question is whether news in the state is controlled by the Church, the question of who owns the newspapers in the largest cities of the state is centrally important.

And it is simply the fact, again, that MediaNews Group, which owns the Salt Lake Tribune, is not owned by the Church, is not run by Mormons, and has not muzzled Peggy Fletcher Stack.

The church owns or controls a significant percentage of the news organization in the state, which is the point I was trying to make. Leave it to you to gloss over that, as if it was something shameful.

No, leave it to me to flatly contradict you.

the media that controls the Salt Lake Valley controls Utah. And that media is owned by the church.

The Church doesn't own the Salt Lake Tribune, which is the largest of the two principal Salt Lake papers. The Church owns the Deseret Morning News, but only a minority of the reporters affiliated with it appear to be practicing Latter-day Saints and, until last year, its editor wasn't a Latter-day Saint at all.

The Church owns KSL-Radio and KSL-TV, but there are numerous other Salt Lake radio and television stations -- including significant network affiliates -- that the Church does not own. And, to the best of my knowledge, the Church owns no regional Utah newspaper. Moreover, so far as I can tell, apart from KBYU-FM and KBYU-TV the Church owns no other Utah broadcasting outlets.

[_harmony]

Who owns the regional newspapers is not important, Daniel.

When the question is whether news in the state is controlled by the Church, the question of who owns the newspapers in the largest cities of the state is centrally important.

And it is simply the fact, again, that MediaNews Group, which owns the Salt Lake Tribune, is not owned by the Church, is not run by Mormons, and has not muzzled Peggy Fletcher Stack.

Muzzle Peggy Stack? I think you have me mixed up with someone else. I don't know Peggy Stack from a hole in the wall. As for the ownership thing... if it looks like duck, quacks like a duck, molts like a duck... it's not a pig, Daniel.

The church owns or controls a significant percentage of the news organization in the state, which is the point I was trying to make. Leave it to you to gloss over that, as if it was something shameful.

No, leave it to me to flatly contradict you.

Gee, I'm so surprised.

the media that controls the Salt Lake Valley controls Utah. And that media is owned by the church.

The Church doesn't own the Salt Lake Tribune, which is the largest of the two principal Salt Lake papers. The Church owns the Deseret Morning News, but only a minority of the reporters affiliated with it appear to be practicing Latter-day Saints and, until last year, its editor wasn't a Latter-day Saint at all.

Red herring alert. Why would it matter if they were practicing or not? And why would you bring that up? Does an individual reporter's private religious thoughts have any bearing on this discussion?

The Church owns KSL-Radio and KSL-TV, but there are numerous other Salt Lake radio and television stations -- including significant network affiliates -- that the Church does not own. And, to the best of my knowledge, the Church owns no regional Utah newspaper. Moreover, so far as I can tell, apart from KBYU-FM and KBYU-TV the Church owns no other Utah broadcasting outlets.

I thought this quote was interesting (of course I did. It supports my assertion, although I have no idea who Tom Barberi is or what KALL talk show is all about. Oh wait. He's been around SLCentral for over 30 years, hosting talk radio shows, so maybe he actually knows what he's talking about? and it appears that KSL has something to do with it, the same KSL that is owned by the 800 pound gorilla that's under the rug in the living room, the same KSL that occupies the #1 spot for radio market share in Utah "KSL has the potential to create an even larger audience for its news-and-information station, which is already the No. 1 broadcast property in Utah."):

TOM BARBERI: KALL talk show host:...ownership does mean an awful lot. And to say there's fairness in this marketplace with ownership...is ignoring the truth. The LDS Church owns the Deseret News, owns KSL Radio, owns KSL Television. To think that there are not discussions going on in the upper floors of those buildings as to how this story is going to play with the person who signs my paycheck is foolish. You talk about diversity. We have diversity. We have 70 per cent of the population who are LDS. We have a very small minority of other things...And you talk about "perception is reality." If you have a legislature that is 85 or 90 percent belonging to the same church, if you have a supreme court that 100 percent belongs to a specific church, if you have various organizations or boards which all the members belong to one church, to say there is diversity of thought is kidding yourselves...I'm not saying this is a bad thing. I'm just talking about reality. The reality is that the 800-pound gorilla does weigh more than 800 pounds.

source: http://www.humanistsofutah.org/2001/Cre ... 09-01.html

Have things changed much in the last 3-6 years? Naw.

[_moksha]

Polygamy Porter promoting a complaint that deplores the use of profanity? On an irony scale of 1 to 1000, where would this rate?