wenglund wrote:Perhaps you can make the Bishop a deal: if he promises not to bad-mouth you to your wife and kids or anyone else, you promise not to bad-mouth the faith of the Bishop and your wife and kids to them or anyone else--including anonymously on the internet. ;-)
How exactly can Who Knows keep that deal Wade? Even if he were to stop posting the Bishop could continue his messing in WK's family under the argument that WK simply changed to another identity.....or if the Bishop is a real jerk that Who Knows is under the influence of Satan or whatever, and that it's for the good of the family it's best if they accept his Bishoply (read: Correct straight from God) advice on the matter.
"Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded."-charity 3/7/07
Perhaps you can make the Bishop a deal: if he promises not to bad-mouth you to your wife and kids or anyone else, you promise not to bad-mouth the faith of the Bishop and your wife and kids to them or anyone else--including anonymously on the internet. ;-)
Wade, why do you have to stick the dagger in to your post.
In defense of Wade, I think he only meant a little light-hearted humor, hence the smiley.
In defense of Who Knows, I don't think he's does much bad-mouthing.
Then again, maybe I've been desensitized by Merc. and co.
That's General Leo. He could be my friend if he weren't my enemy. eritis sicut dii I support NCMO
Perhaps you can make the Bishop a deal: if he promises not to bad-mouth you to your wife and kids or anyone else, you promise not to bad-mouth the faith of the Bishop and your wife and kids to them or anyone else--including anonymously on the internet. ;-)
Wade, why do you have to stick the dagger in to your post.
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Mary
How is it sticking the "dagger" to suggest mutual respect and refraining from bad-mouthing each other? (Hint: it's not--except those who dysfunctionally apply a double standard.)
wenglund wrote: Perhaps you can make the Bishop a deal: if he promises not to bad-mouth you to your wife and kids or anyone else, you promise not to bad-mouth the faith of the Bishop and your wife and kids to them or anyone else--including anonymously on the internet. ;-)
The difference is that the church is bogus to WK's family, whereas Who Knows is not.
Thanks, -Some Schmo-
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
The Nehor wrote:Who Knows, based on your post clarifying what the Bishop said I'm pretty sure he would NOT undermine your authority with your kids.
If you had kids, and someone in a position of authority (that your kids respected) told your kids that you were basically listening to satan, what would you do?
That hasn't happened and I don't think it will.
You’re an evader, Nehor. Why don’t you give honest answer to “Who Knows'” question??
That it has not happened to you is irrelevant. The question was not about you. Your problem is that everything is about YOU..
Perhaps you can make the Bishop a deal: if he promises not to bad-mouth you to your wife and kids or anyone else, you promise not to bad-mouth the faith of the Bishop and your wife and kids to them or anyone else--including anonymously on the internet. ;-)
Wade, why do you have to stick the dagger in to your post.
sigh
Mary
How is it sticking the "dagger" to suggest mutual respect and refraining from bad-mouthing each other? (Hint: it's not--except those who dysfunctionally apply a double standard.)
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
Hmm. An equivalent deal might be that I agree not to bad-mouth his religion to him, his wife, and kids (or tell his wife and kids that their husband/father is under the influence of satan). I could do that. i already do...
WK: "Joseph Smith asserted that the Book of Mormon peoples were the original inhabitants of the americas"
Will Schryver: "No, he didn’t." 3/19/08
Still waiting for Will to back this up...
Who Knows wrote:So my wife went in for her temple recommend interview, but failed. She could only answer 'I don't know' to a couple of the questions (she passed all the rest of the questions). So then the bishopric went on to warn her about me, saying I am 'listening to the wrong spirit', and a couple of other things implying I was under the influence of satan, and that he was worried that I was having a bad influence on her.
So here's what I need your advice on. I'm a little ticked off that the bishop is basically saying bad things about me, not only behind my back, but to my wife. I'm also a little worried that this could spill over to my kids when the bishop does interviews with them. I don't appreciate having the bishop basically undermine me as a husband/parent - turning my wife and kids against me (if only in some small way). Should I say something to the bishop? Or is this something I should just live with as long as my wife and kids still attend?
I can see that as his role as bishop, he should council his members to maintain/grow their testimonies. But do they really have the right to talk about other people like that?
The quality and responsiveness one can expect from any individual Bishop is hit or miss. That is to be expected because of individual variation and no uniform training. This is hard to address in the Church because many think whatever the Bishop does is divinely inspired. It is not. They can be as brilliant (Polygamy Porter) or as stupid (Moksha) as the rest of us. Let you wife know that.
Now, to rectify the situation. If the Bishop is a clunker, there is not reason to assume the Stake President is defective. Have your wife go see him.
Good luck.
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wenglund wrote:Perhaps you can make the Bishop a deal: if he promises not to bad-mouth you to your wife and kids or anyone else, you promise not to bad-mouth the faith of the Bishop and your wife and kids to them or anyone else--including anonymously on the internet. ;-)
How exactly can Who Knows keep that deal Wade? Even if he were to stop posting the Bishop could continue his messing in WK's family under the argument that WK simply changed to another identity.....or if the Bishop is a real jerk that Who Knows is under the influence of Satan or whatever, and that it's for the good of the family it's best if they accept his Bishoply (read: Correct straight from God) advice on the matter.
I think you meant to ask me how this deal can be enforced. Well, as abestosman astutely surmized, the "deal" wasn't meant to be taken literally, but as tongue-in-cheek, with the point being similar to the moral at the heart of the Golden Rule (if Who Knows doesn't wish to have his authority undermined by disparaging comments being made by authority figures about him, then it would stand to reason that he, as an authority figure in his home or even as a regular person elsewhere, not treat others and their faith in that way, but treat them instead as he would wish to be treated). What I am striving for is to change our too oft unilateral critical focus (i.e. what the other party is doing wrong), to working towards mutual respect and efficacy for all parties concerned.
wenglund wrote:How is it sticking the "dagger" to suggest mutual respect and refraining from bad-mouthing each other? (Hint: it's not--except those who dysfunctionally apply a double standard.)
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
Again, you seem to equate disagreeing with the church with "bad-mouthing" individual members of the church; it's not the same thing. I think most of us would be hard pressed to find where Who Knows has bad-mouthed church members.
wenglund wrote:How is it sticking the "dagger" to suggest mutual respect and refraining from bad-mouthing each other? (Hint: it's not--except those who dysfunctionally apply a double standard.)
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
Hmm. An equivalent deal might be that I agree not to bad-mouth his religion to him, his wife, and kids (or tell his wife and kids that their husband/father is under the influence of satan). I could do that. I already do...
That's right, Who Knows. You're already keeping your end of any fair "deal"!
And Wade is absolutely disfunctional himself and totally clueless. Join me in completely ignoring him, if you'd like. It makes participating on the board so much nicer.