Giving and Taking Offense

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wenglund wrote:It is apparently true what they say about "a woman scorned". ;-)

However, rather than feed the scorn (towards me as well as the Church), perhaps it would be best if I just leave Kimberlyann alone to do unfettered whatever it is she does.

She's all yours.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-


How is taking a parting shot not "feeding the scorn"?
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Post by _wenglund »

beastie wrote:
Do we give Wade the opportunity to grow and change, or do we still judge him from old posts?

As for myself, until I witness him acting like this again, I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

From what I have observed, Wade has been the target of multiple cheap shots and weak insults.


One - Wade has never disavowed his former sentiments concerning homosexuality or "anti-mormon bigotry". He just doesn't talk about it ad nauseum the way he used to. Wade goes on kicks, and that's not his current kick. His current kick is trying to point out how exmormons are psychologically troubled. It amazes me that some of you don't recognize what he's doing.

Two - Wade's current "conciliatory" posts also tend to contain self-congratulatory statements embedded in superiority, as well as containing digs against the poster in question. I don't think he's changed at all. I think he's just decided to be a bit more subtle.

I still see the Wade of old, the Wade who used to actually troll boards for homosexual men and preach to them. He was saying truly repellent and disgusting things about homosexuality, and then pretending to want to "help" them. They wisely called him on his BS and were quite rude to him, which he deserved. Likewise, I still see the Wade of old who considers even the mildest exmormon critic like Analytics to be a "bigot". After watching his behavior for years, I will never take him seriously, and will continue to call his BS when I see it. He's just learned how to pull back a bit.


For those interested, I spent a small portion of two evenings about 7 years ago, posting a couple of investigative questions on several gay boards. That is the extend of my "trolling".

The "repellent and disgusting" things I said about homosexuality consisted simply in classifying homosexuality as a sexual attraction disorder (SAD) along with what I considered to be other sexual attraction disorders (pediphilia, necrophelia, etc.). The classification had only to do with whether the sexual attraction may reasonably be considered a "disorder" or not, and was entirely silent in terms of severity (morally, ethically, or otherwise) of acts that may result from the disorder. Many, including Beastie, completely misconstrued the classification as equating homosexuality with pedaphilia et. al. And since that misconstrual caused emotions to run high, and since the parties with whom I interacted were suprisingly closed-minded to being corrected by the source (Beastie in particular), the misconception stood, and I got what I supposedly deserved.

As for my considering ex-Mormon critics in general, let alone the mildest exmormon critics, to be a "bigot", that is entirely a figment of Beastie's imagination (as I thoroughly demonstrated on the thread she linked to above). Not only did I suggest no such thing, but there is ample evidence in the thread where I clarrified repeatedly just the opposite, and my Anti-Bigotry web site specifically said just the opposite. But, yet again, Beastie imagines it differently, and is closed-minded to being persuaded otherwise. And so the fabrication continues to be repeated, presumably in the hopes that it will one day be true.

I await the day that she blames me for the attacks on 9/11.

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Post by _wenglund »

Runtu wrote:
wenglund wrote:It is apparently true what they say about "a woman scorned". ;-)

However, rather than feed the scorn (towards me as well as the Church), perhaps it would be best if I just leave Kimberlyann alone to do unfettered whatever it is she does.

She's all yours.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-


How is taking a parting shot not "feeding the scorn"?


I'll let you mull over that question if it is of importance to you. I have better things to do.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-
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Post by _Some Schmo »

wenglund wrote: And so the fabrication continues to be repeated, presumably in the hopes that it will one day be true.


I was just saying the same thing to some Mormon missionaries the other day.
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beastie wrote:Two - Wade's current "conciliatory" posts also tend to contain self-congratulatory statements embedded in superiority, as well as containing digs against the poster in question. I don't think he's changed at all. I think he's just decided to be a bit more subtle.


Way to sum it up beastie. This is my view exactly. I wonder how many others hold this view of wade as well?

And on the chance that a number of posters do hold that view, what does that mean to you wade? Are we all just totally off base here? Or is this actually how you're coming across (regardless of your intentions)? And if this is how you're coming across, and you're not intending this, do you think it's time to change your strategy?
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Who Knows wrote:
beastie wrote:Two - Wade's current "conciliatory" posts also tend to contain self-congratulatory statements embedded in superiority, as well as containing digs against the poster in question. I don't think he's changed at all. I think he's just decided to be a bit more subtle.


Way to sum it up beastie. This is my view exactly. I wonder how many others hold this view of wade as well?

And on the chance that a number of posters do hold that view, what does that mean to you wade? Are we all just totally off base here? Or is this actually how you're coming across (regardless of your intentions)? And if this is how you're coming across, and you're not intending this, do you think it's time to change your strategy?


I keep trying to give Wade the benefit of the doubt, and then he does and says things that I can't imagine a caring and compassionate person would do or say. Maybe we're all just maliciously misreading Wade, but I don't think so. If nothing else, having that big of a perception problem ought to give a person pause.
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Who Knows wrote:
beastie wrote:Two - Wade's current "conciliatory" posts also tend to contain self-congratulatory statements embedded in superiority, as well as containing digs against the poster in question. I don't think he's changed at all. I think he's just decided to be a bit more subtle.


Way to sum it up beastie. This is my view exactly. I wonder how many others hold this view of wade as well?

And on the chance that a number of posters do hold that view, what does that mean to you wade? Are we all just totally off base here? Or is this actually how you're coming across (regardless of your intentions)? And if this is how you're coming across, and you're not intending this, do you think it's time to change your strategy?


Those are some excellent questions. I believe, though, that I have been quite open to considering both possibilities, and to the extent that certain others here (though not all) have been equally open and willing to reasonably discuss both possibilities with me, I think I have been able to work out fairly amicable and mutually efficacious relationships.

However, for those, such as yourself and Beastie, who were not open in this way, nothing has changed, nor do I expect that they will. You and others have and will likely continue to view me as summed up above. I have come to accept this, and have determined to restrict, to some degree, my interactions with you (with some posters I have restricted my interaction with them completely--Kimberlyann having been recently added to that list).

Thanks, -Wade Englund-
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Post by _KimberlyAnn »

wenglund wrote:However, for those, such as yourself and Beastie, who were not open in this way, nothing has changed, nor do I expect that they will. You and others have and will likely continue to view me as summed up above. I have come to accept this, and have determined to restrict, to some degree, my interactions with you (with some posters I have restricted my interaction with them completely--Kimberlyann having been recently added to that list).




Hallelujah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wade is never going to interact with me or reply to my threads again!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank GOD!

Completely thrilled,

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Post by _asbestosman »

What Wade is or isn't, I don't know for sure (I guess we could always do a personal poll on in the Telestial Forum if we wanted). While I'm not a fan of the textual mirror nor of unsolicited help, I can also sympathize with misinterpretation. Certainly I see that happen in controversial subjects such as sexuality, politics, and religion. You know--the sort of things we talk about on these boards.
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Post by _wenglund »

Runtu wrote:
Who Knows wrote:
beastie wrote:Two - Wade's current "conciliatory" posts also tend to contain self-congratulatory statements embedded in superiority, as well as containing digs against the poster in question. I don't think he's changed at all. I think he's just decided to be a bit more subtle.


Way to sum it up beastie. This is my view exactly. I wonder how many others hold this view of wade as well?

And on the chance that a number of posters do hold that view, what does that mean to you wade? Are we all just totally off base here? Or is this actually how you're coming across (regardless of your intentions)? And if this is how you're coming across, and you're not intending this, do you think it's time to change your strategy?


I keep trying to give Wade the benefit of the doubt, and then he does and says things that I can't imagine a caring and compassionate person would do or say. Maybe we're all just maliciously misreading Wade, but I don't think so. If nothing else, having that big of a perception problem ought to give a person pause.


Ironically, I thought the same things about you and others--though I don't think it applies to "we're all". Not everyone here misreads what I say (malicious or otherwise) or has big perception problem, nor might they all think my comments inconsistent with care and compassion.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-
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