Do TBM's worship garments?

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_The Nehor
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Polygamy Porter wrote:Was it a big booming echoy voice?

God: NEEHHHorrrr, Will YOU wear the GAAARRRRRMMEEENNNTss???

Neh: One or two piece?

God: One piece when you are bad!


God does not have a problem with bad long drow out consonants. He's quite upset that people do that to him in movies all the time. He'd sue them if he didn't have a special place in hell already built for them.
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Garments Masonic? I never knew the Masons went Clear back to Moses.

Ex. 28: 42
42 And thou shalt make them linen breeches to cover their nakedness; from the loins even unto the thighs they shall reach:

Ex. 39: 28
28 And a amitre of fine linen, and bgoodly cbonnets of fine linen, and linen dbreeches of fine twined linen,

Lev. 6: 10
10 And the priest shall put on his linen agarment, and his linen bbreeches shall he put upon his flesh, and take up the ashes which the fire hath consumed with the burnt offering on the altar, and he shall put them beside the altar.

Lev. 16: 4
4 He shall put on the holy linen coat, and he shall have the linen breeches upon his flesh, and shall be girded with a linen girdle, and with the linen amitre shall he be attired: these are holy garments; therefore shall he wash his flesh in water, and so put them on.

Ezek. 44: 18
18 They shall have linen abonnets upon their heads, and shall have linen bbreeches upon their loins; they shall not gird themselves with any thing that causeth sweat.
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Zakuska wrote:Garments Masonic? I never knew the Masons went Clear back to Moses.

Ex. 28: 42
42 And thou shalt make them linen breeches to cover their nakedness; from the loins even unto the thighs they shall reach:

Ex. 39: 28
28 And a amitre of fine linen, and bgoodly cbonnets of fine linen, and linen dbreeches of fine twined linen,

Lev. 6: 10
10 And the priest shall put on his linen agarment, and his linen bbreeches shall he put upon his flesh, and take up the ashes which the fire hath consumed with the burnt offering on the altar, and he shall put them beside the altar.

Lev. 16: 4
4 He shall put on the holy linen coat, and he shall have the linen breeches upon his flesh, and shall be girded with a linen girdle, and with the linen amitre shall he be attired: these are holy garments; therefore shall he wash his flesh in water, and so put them on.

Ezek. 44: 18
18 They shall have linen abonnets upon their heads, and shall have linen bbreeches upon their loins; they shall not gird themselves with any thing that causeth sweat.


I'm not very good with the Old Testament. Could you point out where the markings on the garments are mentioned there? Or perhaps you cold explain, Zakuska, where those come from?
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gramps wrote:
Zakuska wrote:Garments Masonic? I never knew the Masons went Clear back to Moses.

Ex. 28: 42
42 And thou shalt make them linen breeches to cover their nakedness; from the loins even unto the thighs they shall reach:

Ex. 39: 28
28 And a amitre of fine linen, and bgoodly cbonnets of fine linen, and linen dbreeches of fine twined linen,

Lev. 6: 10
10 And the priest shall put on his linen agarment, and his linen bbreeches shall he put upon his flesh, and take up the ashes which the fire hath consumed with the burnt offering on the altar, and he shall put them beside the altar.

Lev. 16: 4
4 He shall put on the holy linen coat, and he shall have the linen breeches upon his flesh, and shall be girded with a linen girdle, and with the linen amitre shall he be attired: these are holy garments; therefore shall he wash his flesh in water, and so put them on.

Ezek. 44: 18
18 They shall have linen abonnets upon their heads, and shall have linen bbreeches upon their loins; they shall not gird themselves with any thing that causeth sweat.


I'm not very good with the Old Testament. Could you point out where the markings on the garments are mentioned there? Or perhaps you cold explain, Zakuska, where those come from?

The markings are not mentioned, but they aren't in latter day either. They are sacred and so the details are not mentioned, just the ideas of them.
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Nephi wrote:
gramps wrote:
Zakuska wrote:Garments Masonic? I never knew the Masons went Clear back to Moses.

Ex. 28: 42
42 And thou shalt make them linen breeches to cover their nakedness; from the loins even unto the thighs they shall reach:

Ex. 39: 28
28 And a amitre of fine linen, and bgoodly cbonnets of fine linen, and linen dbreeches of fine twined linen,

Lev. 6: 10
10 And the priest shall put on his linen agarment, and his linen bbreeches shall he put upon his flesh, and take up the ashes which the fire hath consumed with the burnt offering on the altar, and he shall put them beside the altar.

Lev. 16: 4
4 He shall put on the holy linen coat, and he shall have the linen breeches upon his flesh, and shall be girded with a linen girdle, and with the linen amitre shall he be attired: these are holy garments; therefore shall he wash his flesh in water, and so put them on.

Ezek. 44: 18
18 They shall have linen abonnets upon their heads, and shall have linen bbreeches upon their loins; they shall not gird themselves with any thing that causeth sweat.


I'm not very good with the Old Testament. Could you point out where the markings on the garments are mentioned there? Or perhaps you cold explain, Zakuska, where those come from?

The markings are not mentioned, but they aren't in latter day either. They are sacred and so the details are not mentioned, just the ideas of them.


How did Masonic symbols become sacred? Or are you saying that despite not mentioning them, they were present in the garments spoken of in the Old Testament?
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I think "worship" is a tough word to make work here, however I do think that there are TBMs who regard garments as some kind of holy relic that demands special treatment to avoid offending God somehow. In the MTC there was a guy in my district who got mad that others would just shove their garments into their drawers after doing laundry, without folding them, and he also got mad if people put them on the floor. To him, not folding them, or putting them on the floor, were tantamount to sinful actions; sort of like the garment version of taking the Lord's name in vain.

While we're on garments, a ward mission leader I had on my mission told me about a former mission companion he'd had who actually showered in his garments. He'd remove one leg at a time, keeping the other one in the garment, to wash his legs and whatnot. When he got out he'd remove one leg from the wet garment, dry that area, and put it into a dry garment, then remove the other leg, dry it, and put it into the dry garment. He had a similar method with the shirt. The whole idea was he had to have the garments on literally 24/7, and by golly, he did.
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gramps wrote:
Nephi wrote:
gramps wrote:
Zakuska wrote:Garments Masonic? I never knew the Masons went Clear back to Moses.

Ex. 28: 42
42 And thou shalt make them linen breeches to cover their nakedness; from the loins even unto the thighs they shall reach:

Ex. 39: 28
28 And a amitre of fine linen, and bgoodly cbonnets of fine linen, and linen dbreeches of fine twined linen,

Lev. 6: 10
10 And the priest shall put on his linen agarment, and his linen bbreeches shall he put upon his flesh, and take up the ashes which the fire hath consumed with the burnt offering on the altar, and he shall put them beside the altar.

Lev. 16: 4
4 He shall put on the holy linen coat, and he shall have the linen breeches upon his flesh, and shall be girded with a linen girdle, and with the linen amitre shall he be attired: these are holy garments; therefore shall he wash his flesh in water, and so put them on.

Ezek. 44: 18
18 They shall have linen abonnets upon their heads, and shall have linen bbreeches upon their loins; they shall not gird themselves with any thing that causeth sweat.


I'm not very good with the Old Testament. Could you point out where the markings on the garments are mentioned there? Or perhaps you cold explain, Zakuska, where those come from?

The markings are not mentioned, but they aren't in latter day either. They are sacred and so the details are not mentioned, just the ideas of them.


How did Masonic symbols become sacred? Or are you saying that despite not mentioning them, they were present in the garments spoken of in the Old Testament?

Correct, they were present but not spoken of in the Old Testament. They were holy symbols before being masonic symbols. And if anyone wants a CFR for this statement, I have none. Its something I take on faith.
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Sethbag wrote:While we're on garments, a ward mission leader I had on my mission told me about a former mission companion he'd had who actually showered in his garments. He'd remove one leg at a time, keeping the other one in the garment, to wash his legs and whatnot. When he got out he'd remove one leg from the wet garment, dry that area, and put it into a dry garment, then remove the other leg, dry it, and put it into the dry garment. He had a similar method with the shirt. The whole idea was he had to have the garments on literally 24/7, and by golly, he did.


His wife was in for a big surprise.
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How old are you, or at what point, do you start wearing garments?
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barrelomonkeys wrote:How old are you, or at what point, do you start wearing garments?
When a Mormon goes through the temple for the first time, they are then required to wear the garmies 24/7/365 from then on.

Mormon girls are required to do this BEFORE they are allowed to marry in the temple. Some do it the same day.

All missionaries are required to do this before they begin their mission training.

Converts who make it one year in the cult are allowed (after one year) to do the temple thing and get the magic undies.
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