Zakuska wrote:Garments Masonic? I never knew the Masons went Clear back to Moses.
Ex. 28: 42 42 And thou shalt make them linen breeches to cover their nakedness; from the loins even unto the thighs they shall reach:
Ex. 39: 28 28 And a amitre of fine linen, and bgoodly cbonnets of fine linen, and linen dbreeches of fine twined linen,
Lev. 6: 10 10 And the priest shall put on his linen agarment, and his linen bbreeches shall he put upon his flesh, and take up the ashes which the fire hath consumed with the burnt offering on the altar, and he shall put them beside the altar.
Lev. 16: 4 4 He shall put on the holy linen coat, and he shall have the linen breeches upon his flesh, and shall be girded with a linen girdle, and with the linen amitre shall he be attired: these are holy garments; therefore shall he wash his flesh in water, and so put them on.
Ezek. 44: 18 18 They shall have linen abonnets upon their heads, and shall have linen bbreeches upon their loins; they shall not gird themselves with any thing that causeth sweat.
I'm not very good with the Old Testament. Could you point out where the markings on the garments are mentioned there? Or perhaps you cold explain, Zakuska, where those come from?
The markings are not mentioned, but they aren't in latter day either. They are sacred and so the details are not mentioned, just the ideas of them.
How did Masonic symbols become sacred? Or are you saying that despite not mentioning them, they were present in the garments spoken of in the Old Testament?
Correct, they were present but not spoken of in the Old Testament. They were holy symbols before being masonic symbols. And if anyone wants a CFR for this statement, I have none. Its something I take on faith.
Probably a good idea just to take it on faith. I think it would be a tough reference to come up with.
Edited to add: Sorry Bond! I know you hate these kind of threads. My bad! Won't do it again. Promise.
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If you don't wair them, when with a little inconvenience could warrant it - you could unexpectedly find yourself committing adultery, being seriously injured or even killed.
Some may be laughing at the ridiculousness of this but this is how many mormonos have been conditioned.
"They will be a shield and a protection to you..IF..".
I wore them out of a sense of duty to the covenants I made inside the temple. But I also knew that not wairing them had grave consequences, even if I kept all the other commandments.
It was like removing your armour. And if you disrespected them they would lose their magical protective powers.
My relative that was in charge of instructing the escorts and endowees used to tell of a man that he met that was horribly disfigured from a firey plane crash but was unscathed beneath his garments (it would still suck to be him).
I was also told the story by one of the temple presidents of the man that bathed with his garments for fear of being overcome by the Evil One. I thought that was ridiculous, but it was not uncommon for me and friends to travel fully clothed to the lake, beach or pool before changing into trunks - the irony, of course, are that watersports are inherently dangerous (See D&C section 61). Great. I always felt a little more uneasy than others - out there with the big chompers.
Those in military service don't wair white garments anymore. They are given special issue drab color so they are not such easy targets to the enemy - those of the opposing force as well as their fox hole buddies.
Brigham Young was noted to have said that when Joseph Smith died he was not wairing his garments.
Inconceivable wrote:If you don't wair them, when with a little inconvenience could warrant it - you could unexpectedly find yourself committing adultery, being seriously injured or even killed.
Some may be laughing at the ridiculousness of this but this is how many mormonos have been conditioned.
"They will be a shield and a protection to you..IF..".
I wore them out of a sense of duty to the covenants I made inside the temple. But I also knew that not wairing them had grave consequences, even if I kept all the other commandments.
It was like removing your armour. And if you disrespected them they would lose their magical protective powers.
My relative that was in charge of instructing the escorts and endowees used to tell of a man that he met that was horribly disfigured from a firey plane crash but was unscathed beneath his garments (it would still suck to be him).
I was also told the story by one of the temple presidents of the man that bathed with his garments for fear of being overcome by the Evil One. I thought that was ridiculous, but it was not uncommon for me and friends to travel fully clothed to the lake, beach or pool before changing into trunks - the irony, of course, are that watersports are inherently dangerous (See D&C section 61). Great. I always felt a little more uneasy than others - out there with the big chompers.
Those in military service don't wair white garments anymore. They are given special issue drab color so they are not such easy targets to the enemy - those of the opposing force as well as their fox hole buddies.
Brigham Young was noted to have said that when Joseph Smith died he was not wairing his garments.
Wow, I don't think that way. I also think magic is the wrong word. Magic implies something that works independently of conditions. The garments are only magical if the Liahona was magic and the Liahona spent a lot of time not working.
I take my garments off before I go to work out, play a sport, go swimming, or if it's burning hot and I'm going to spend a lot of time outside. What you describe sounds more like superstition than anything resembling faith. Having survived a date involving swimming without committing adultery and almost died while not wearing them but somehow survived against all odds I don't take it the way some LDS do.
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No, I don't think that way anymore. I became less nutty after going on ward outings to the lake where the bishop and counselors tossed caution to the wind and wore trunks to and from. I love watersports.
Magical perhaps is not the right word if a TBM. Point taken. However, I believed the "shield and protection" literally. It's either true or it's not.
Zakuska wrote:Garments Masonic? I never knew the Masons went Clear back to Moses.
Ex. 28: 42 42 And thou shalt make them linen breeches to cover their nakedness; from the loins even unto the thighs they shall reach:
Ex. 39: 28 28 And a amitre of fine linen, and bgoodly cbonnets of fine linen, and linen dbreeches of fine twined linen,
Lev. 6: 10 10 And the priest shall put on his linen agarment, and his linen bbreeches shall he put upon his flesh, and take up the ashes which the fire hath consumed with the burnt offering on the altar, and he shall put them beside the altar.
Lev. 16: 4 4 He shall put on the holy linen coat, and he shall have the linen breeches upon his flesh, and shall be girded with a linen girdle, and with the linen amitre shall he be attired: these are holy garments; therefore shall he wash his flesh in water, and so put them on.
Ezek. 44: 18 18 They shall have linen abonnets upon their heads, and shall have linen bbreeches upon their loins; they shall not gird themselves with any thing that causeth sweat.
Lev. 16: 4 4 He shall put on the holy linen coat, and he shall have the linen breeches upon his flesh, and shall be girded with a linen girdle, and with the linen amitre shall he be attired: these are holy garments; therefore shall he wash his flesh in water, and so put them on.
Zak,
Still cherry picking verses of scripture, eh? Oy, you never cease to bug me when you do that. Okay, in the above verse, the holy garments are part of a burnt offerings ceremony. Are you saying that you now offer burnt offerings (goats in this case) in your temple? I don't think so...
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